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I AM TRYING TO FIND HILLSTONE LODGE IN MONMOUTHSHIRE AS IT WAS NAMED AS A BIRTHPLACE OF AN ANCESTOR IN 1847.IM GUESSING IT WAS A WORKHOUSE OR SIMILAR LODGING PLACE.ALSO HOW WOULD YOU GO ABOUT THE NAMES OF RESIDENTS,MARY ANN IS ALL I HAVE TO GO ON SO FAR. HERES HOPING !!!!!!!!!!

As Monmouthshire is a County, can you be more specific to the town?

If it was a Poor Law Union/ Work house, this link may help

http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Wales/UnionsWales.shtml

When known, links are given to say where the records are held

This must be the ancestor:

1881 Wales Census
Name: Mary Ann Smith
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: James Smith
Gender: Female
Where born: Hillstone Lodge, Monmouth, Wales

Civil parish: Ystradyfodwg
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Street Address: 10 Penmark Row

Registration district: Merthyr Tydfil
Sub-registration district: Aberdare
James Smith 38
Mary Ann Smith 34
Edward Smith 17
Walter Smith 14
William Smith 11
Asenath Smith 10

On other census, she just puts Monmouth. This is her maybe, with another clue??

Do you have her marriage cert?


1891 Wales Census
Name: Mary Ann Smith
Age: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: James Smith
Gender: Female
Where born: Ieestone, Monmouthshire, Wales

Civil parish: Rhigos
Ecclesiastical parish: Ystraddyfodwg
Town: Rhigos
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Registration district: Merthyr Tydfil
Sub-registration district: Aberdare

James Smith 49
Mary Ann Smith 44
Walter Smith 23
William Smith 21
Oliver Loop 24

There's an Illstone Gamorgan but doesn't seem likely does it!

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Name: Mary Ann Davis Family Tree
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 01 Apr 1847
Christening Place: WORKHOUSE,NEWPORT,MONMOUTH,ENGLAND
Birth Date: 05 Mar 1847
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name:
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Mary Ann Davis
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C02386-1
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 230099
Reference ID:

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Name: James Walter Smith
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 12 Feb 1865
Event Place: Aberdare, St Elvan, Glamorganshire, Wales
Age:
Birth Year (Estimated):
Spouse's Name: Mary Ann Davies
GS Film number:
Digital Folder Number: 004378001

Marriages Mar 1865 (>99%)
Davies Mary Ann Merthyr T. 11a 415
Smith James Walter Merthyr T. 11a 415

Interestingly there is a Lodge Hill and a Lodge Farm and a Standing Stone in Newport Mon. There is also a Newport Lodge Hotel. And, 4 miles north of Monmouth is the Newton Lodge Hotel. Any of these could be a connection to Hillstone Lodge.

Don't know if this helps. It mentions "the Lodge", but not Hillstone or Illstone.

In 1870 a new Monmouth Union Workhouse was built to accommodate 200 inmates. It was located on the West side of Hereford Road and consisted of four blocks of buildings: The Lodge, a receiving building, the principal building and the infirmary. The buildings cost £10,000 to build by H. P. Bolt & Co, Newport, and were designed by G C Haddon of Hereford.[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monmouth_Poor_Union

Hi all,Thanks for all you're efforts.You all had the right person as she was married to James Smith and the childrens names tally too.I don't have any certs for any of my ancestors at all,shame that.Thankyou for the advice too.Using capitals is me being very lazy,sorry if it gave the wrong impression.I shall look into hotels and the like in Monmouth too for clues. :-)

I think I missed something with Mary Ann Davies! But if any doubts I would think this is her daughter's birth:

Name: Eseneth Smith
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1872
Registration district: Abergavenny
Inferred County: Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 63

Jan

Hi folks,I think its fairly certain Mary was born in a workhouse probably Monmouth.One of their sons,Edward,born 1861/4 in Blaenavon,was my great grandad.The family were living at 10,Penmark Row,Rhigos at the1881 census.He married Elizabeth/Eliza/Liza /Elisabeth.They lived "by Mount Pleasant Inn " Rhigos.They had Mary Jane,Gwen,Thomas,James,Charlotte,Edward,Maggie . .I believe her surname to be JOSEPH.The family lived at 3,Gwawr Street,Aberdare at 1881 census.The parents-Lewis & Margaret Joseph, both from Llanelly.The dilema I have is that her exact details feature on another members tree but surrounding relations don't match any of mine.Am I barking up the wrong tree !!!!!!!!! Would like a fresh pair of eyes to see right road please.Any help is ALWAYS appreciated. :-) Val

Marriages Jun 1883 (>99%)

Joseph Elizabeth Merthyr Tydfil 11a 727
Smith Edward Merthyr T. 11a 727

1891 Wales Census about Edward Smith
Name: Edward Smith
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Liza Smith
Gender: Male
Where born: Blaenavon, Monmouthshire, Wales

Civil parish: Rhigos
Ecclesiastical parish: Ystraddyfodwg
Town: Rhigos
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image

Registration district: Merthyr Tydfil
Sub-registration district: Aberdare
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4442
Folio: 47
Page Number: 15
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Smith 27
Liza Smith 30
Mary Jane Smith 9
Gwen Smith 5
Thomas Smith 3

1911 Wales Census about Edward Smith
Name: Edward Smith
Age in 1911: 49
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Abergavenny, Monmouthshire, Wales
Civil parish: Rhigos
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street Address: 17 Moart Pleasent Pendenyr Road Hirwain Glam.
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 27
Estimated Marriage Year: 1884
Occupation: Coal Miner Hewer
Registration district: Merthyr Tydfil
Registration District Number: 590
Sub-registration district: Aberdare
ED, institution, or vessel: 04
Household schedule number: 109
Piece: 32483
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Smith 49
Elizabeth Smith 50
Gwer Smith 25
Thomas Smith 23
James Smith 19
Charlotte Smith 15
Maggie Alice Smith 11
Edward John Smith 13
William Henry Smith 9

1901 Wales Census about Maggie Olice Smith
Name: Maggie Olice Smith
Age in 1901: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1900
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Edr Smith
Mother's Name: Eliza Smith
Gender: Female
Where born: Glam, Hirwain

Civil parish: Rhigos
Ecclesiastical parish: Ystradyfodwg
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image

Registration district: Merthyr Tydfil
Sub-registration district: Aberdare
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 89
Piece: 5033
Folio: 46
Page Number: 15
Household Members:
Name Age
Edr Smith 40
Eliza Smith 40
Thos Smith 14
James Smith 9
Charlotte Smith 5
Edr John Smith 3
Maggie Olice Smith 1

????
Don't know which one!

Births Jun 1860 (>99%)
JOSEPH Elizabeth Merthyr T 11a 290
JOSEPH Elizabeth Swansea 11a 518
JOSEPH Elizabeth Newport M 11a 163
Births Jun 1861 (>99%)
JOSEPH Elizabeth Georgina Swansea 11a 529
Births Mar 1863 (>99%)
JOSEPH Elizabeth Neath 11a 420
Births Sep 1863 (>99%)
JOSEPH Elizabeth Swansea 11a 498
JOSEPH Elizabeth Merthyr T. 11a 367


In 1911, she's born 1861, Maritarip Ash (ie - Mountain Ash), Glamorgan, Wales.
In 1901: 1861, Glam, Mountash
In 1891: 1861, Hirnant, Glamorgan, Wales

This is the 1881 census you mention. It says she's born 1864 in Aberdare, which doesn't really fit with the census info.

Do you have a birth record or similar which names her parents? There seem to be a lot of Elizabeth Josephs in Glamorgan, and Wales generally.


1881 Wales Census about Elisabeth Joseph
Name: Elisabeth Joseph
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Lewis Joseph
Mother's Name: Margaret Joseph
Gender: Female
Where born: Aberdare, Glamorgan, Wales

Civil parish: Aberdare
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Street Address: 3 Gwawr St
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: Servant

Registration district: Merthyr Tydfil
Sub-registration district: Aberdare
ED, institution, or vessel: 30
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 5323
Folio: 70
Page Number: 37
Household Members:
Name Age
Lewis Joseph 60
Margaret Joseph 56
Mary Ann Joseph 20
Elisabeth Joseph 17

Here's an Eliza Joseph born 1861 in Mountain Ash - matches her post-marriage details better. But parents Thomas and Charlotte. All siblings born Hirnant.

Is this the family in the other member's tree you mention? It does seem more likely to me.

1881 Wales Census about Eliza Joseph
Name: Eliza Joseph
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas Joseph
Mother's Name: Charlotte Joseph
Gender: Female
Where born: Mountain Ash, Glamorgan, Wales

Civil parish: Ystradyfodwg
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Street Address: Rose Place
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: Gen Serv

Registration district: Merthyr Tydfil
Sub-registration district: Aberdare
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 5319
Folio: 55
Page Number: 17
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Joseph 43
Charlotte Joseph 44
Eliza Joseph 20
Esther Joseph 13
Jane Joseph 11
Margaret Joseph 9
Gwen Joseph 6
Alice Joseph 3
Thomas J. Joseph