Genealogy Chat

haha...didnt know what an avatar was!

Joy Kentish Maid told me how to do it....not a v good pic,but looks better than a blank head!
I like to see who i'm talking to,too!
Am going to take a good look later,at mgnv's info.
Elaine.x

there are no marriage certificates before 1837 so the only details of the maariage you will find are the ones you put in your opening post from lan-opc

nice to see you have managed to put a picture (avatar) on

mgnv has given you some great links there

I had not noticed when looking at the Lancs archives (LRO) that they do actually have some MI's for Burtonwood so I could look at those as well though the burials are online and there is no appropriate John but there may be other clues as there is a Will age 6 & a Henry age 4 sons of Henry in the 1790's

WOW!!! Mgnv.....am going to print out all this,so I can sit and take it all in.
There must be a way of printing from here,bit I haven't found it!
I copy and paste,compose an email and send to my email address,then,when I get the email,I can print it out!
Long way round,but it works!

Thank you so much for all the hard work.
Elaine.x

You can do a search at https://familysearch.org/catalog-search
I searched for Burtonwood and got no hits - they wanted Burton-wood:
In addition to the non-circulating MIs of the previous post, there's one other item of interest:

Parish registers of Burton-Wood, 1668-1942.
Authors: Church of England. Parish Church of Burton-Wood, (Lancashire) (Main Author)
Format: Manuscript/Manuscript on Film
Language: English
Publication: Salt Lake City, Utah : Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1990
Physical: on 2 microfilm reels ; 35 mm.
Notes
Microfilm copy of original record in the Cheshire Record Office, Chester, England.
Burton-Wood was formerly a chapelry in the parish of Warrington. The chapel is St. Michael.
Cheshire Record Office no.: P144/1-4.
Subjects
England, Lancashire, Burton-Wood - Church records England, Lancashire, Warrington - Church records
Film Notes
Note Location Film/DGS
Baptisms 1668-1922; Burials 1783-1812; Marriages 1879-1906. Family History Library BRITISH Film 1655853 Items 3 - 11
Marriages. 1901-1942; Burials, 1813-1882; Burials, 1882-1931. Family History Library BRITISH Film 1655854 Items 1 - 3


There are FS FHCs in Derry, Coleraine and Belfast, plus Dublin, Limerick and (temp closed) Cork.
You can rent FS films thru FHCs to view at one of their FHCs - phone the most convenient one for more details.
See the FS home page for contact details, times, etc.:
https://familysearch.org/

There are also Cheshire records at:
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1®ion=UNITED_KINGDOM_IRELAND
Presumably their transcription is tied to FMP's somehow.

I had a look at some pics of Burtonwwod:
http://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/SJ5692
There's 2 of special interest
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/3320141 shows some grave markers in St Michael's kirkyard.
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/3320144 shows Burtonwood cemetery (which I now know was opened in 1900).

A look up at http://www.old-maps.co.uk/index.html using the OS coords 356500,392800 on the 1895 and 1907 1:2500 scale maps shows the emergence of the new cemetery.
http://www.warrington.gov.uk/info/200745/deaths/89/burial_records/2
shows this cemetery's records only date back to 1900.


Monumental inscriptions can be very informative - here's a couple of my ggg grans':

Here is the relevant Old Deer MI:
113
This stone was erected by WILLIAM SLESSER in Mintlay(sic) in memory of his affectionate wife MARGARET MURRAY d 19 Feb 1805 a68; the above WILLIAM SLESSER d28Nov. 1806 a69. Their dau JANNET SLESSOR (sic) d 24 Mar1811 a 31. This is inscribed by their son WILLIAM SLESSER in memory of his wife CHRISTIAN SLESSER d 20Jan 1857 a 62. Also the last mentioned WILLIAM SLESSER , Hillhead, Mintlaw d 2 Dec 1865 a 83.
[I imagine the transcriber abbreviated a=aged, d=died]

Here there's an online index and a booklet available from ANEFHS which shows
booklet: Kirkyard of Turriff (AA189)
burial ground: Turriff
stone: 164
Alexander Anderson 20 Oct 1874
Elizabeth Scott 31 Jul 1875
Margaret Watson 22 Nov 1890
Alexander Anderson 19 Jun 1908
However, the full text says:
1876
Erected
by
Alexander Anderson
Hill of Ardmiddle in memory
of his son Alexander
who died 20th Oct'r 1874
aged 21 years
also his mother
Elizabeth Scott who died
31st July 1876 aged 80 years
also his wife
Margaret Watson who died
22nd Nov 1890 aged 71 years
The above Alexander Anderson
died 19th June 1908 aged 83 years

Note in Aberdeen at that time, married women were buried under their Maiden Surname (true even of my ggg gran Christian).
Also, in the US, if Mary Smith wed David Jones, she'ld likely be buried as Mary Smith Jones - what is it with England, eh?


Anyways, this is worth following up on:

St. Michael and All Angels, Burtonwood : monumental inscriptions of the churchyard
Statement of Responsibility: recorded by members of the Warrington Group of the Liverpool Family History Society
Authors:
Liverpool & District Family History Society. Warrington Group (Added Author)
Church of England. Parish Church of Burton-Wood, (Lancashire) (Added Author)
Format: Books/Monographs/Book with Film
Language: English
Publication: Cheshire : Liverpool & District Family History Society, Warrington Group, 1984
Physical: 14 p. : maps.
ISBN: 187124725X
Subject Class: 942.72/B22 V3
Notes
Cover title: Warrington : Monumental inscriptions of the churchyard, St. Michael and All Angels, Burtonwood.
Includes index.
Burton-Wood is a chapelry in Warrington Parish.
No circulation to family history centers.
Subjects
England, Lancashire, Burton-Wood - Cemeteries England, Lancashire, Warrington - Cemeteries
Copies
Call Number Location Collection/Shelf Availability
942.72/B22 V3sm Family History Library BRITISH Book Available
Film Notes
Note Location Film/DGS
Also on microfilm. Salt Lake City : filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1990. on 1 microfilm reel ; 35 mm. Family History Library BRITISH Film 1656928 Item 3

http://www.warrington.liverpool-genealogy.org.uk/ has a "contact us" link

Lan OPC aims to cover the parishes of the historic county of Lancashire.
When a church register is full it's sent to some archive, usually the county records office. With modern redistricting, historic Lancs is now coverd by the modern "counties" of Lancashire, Liverpool, Manchester, Cheshire and Cumbria. Each has a county records office (or equivalent). Warrington is now covered by Cheshire - actually, the parish of Warrington, together with its chapelry at Burtonwood, was always in the diocese of Chester.

For the CRO, see: http://archives.cheshire.gov.uk/default.aspx
I see FMP now has the Chester parish regos:
http://www.findmypast.co.uk/content/cheshire/about.html
However, it seems they've not transcribed the Burtonwood baptisms and marrs yet.
The burials are there - 3 of g grandad's 1861 h/h plus a younger bro Peter2 died 1861-71 and are buried in Burtonwood church yard along with Thos's grandad Peter. I've downloaded these images and will send by pm to Elaine. I was particularly keen to see if there was a marginal notation of plot # - I've seen this elsewhere very occassionally, but no luck here.

Thnx LA...i'll wait till you go please.
In the meantime i might get a copy of the marriage of John Parr and Betty Twiss,it should give me fathers' name
Have ordered certs before,but cant rem how,and from where?lol
Can i order this marriage cert online?and how please!

I think we are possibly in the realms of 'most likely' now.

On ancestry there is a John Parr baptised 1794 son of Henry & a William in the same place also son of Henry in 1799

John (probable) 1st son = Henry & 2nd = William

if it is St Helen's there is a possibilty that the records are in the Lancs Archives, depends if there are any missing years to the ones listed in the catalogue. THe churches in Parr were not built early enough. Maybe another email to the Lancs archive specifying S the church of St Helen in St Helen's or St Mary's Eccleston??

or you could wait until I go to the archives in a week or so - definitely not next week as I am not at home

so,is John Parr a dead end then L.A?
Is there any way at all to find out more?
What if i wrote a letter(or email if they have one)to the Church?
Elaine.x

none of the baptisms between 1700 & 1813 are on line for any of the St Helen's (St Helen's, Eccleston, Sutton & Parr) hurches, nor marriages before 1813

Don't know how,but I seem to have gone from looking for John Parr marriage(and hopefully,birth) to the Whitfield side of the family!
Have found JohnParr and Elizabeth(Betty?) in 1841 uk census,but then I can't find them in any later ones,as requested by MarieCeleste.
Also can't find a birth in 1796..
Children all bapt at St. Mary,now St. Helen.,St. Helen's,lancs
Marriage of John Parr to Betty Twiss,was at St. Mary the Virgin.,Prescot.,Lancs
Can't find a birth for him(so I will see who his father was.
I like to see can I find info myself,before asking for help,but think I have been chasing my tail long enough now!

Thanks for your comments Renes - it was one that grabbed me though it is not an area of Lancs I know well but I do know the lancs research areas, as do a few other people from Lancs on this site.

Thankyou....Lancashire Ann is v familiar with Lancashire,where my family is from.

Would like to say I found this thread extremely interesting, and it is so good to see members helping one another

Good luck in your searches

doh! shows how much notice i take! lol....bet i used it too.

I thought you meant it was a site called Find Ancestors,same as Family Search,Rootsweb,etc!

Find Ancestors is a board on this site!

thankyou so much.I appreciate that.

Do hope there's only 1 marriage for a Peter Whitfield and Ellen(and that its the one i found..lol!)

can anyone go on Find Ancestors or is it a pay site?

Elaine :-)

I checked with Lancs archives and even though their catalogue says they have those years in fact the middle ones of the years shown are missing.

I have put a request for you on Find Ancestors to see if anyone is available to do a look up at Cheshire for you.

Lancs don't have Burtonwood eitherL.A.....had sent another email with name of Church. Sent email to Cheshire,and got reply back saying I could get searches done,but would have to pay someone to search,or else I think I can call in myself and do it free.
But as I am in N.Ireland,this isn't possible.
Wonder if there is anyone on here who lives near,and uses Cheshire records,and who may look for a marriage in gt Sankey or Burtonwood?