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Claire Report 24 Apr 2013 15:54

Thanks, might be able to find him during Boer War


brummiejan Report 24 Apr 2013 15:04

Someone has flagged up this site, no idea if it would be helfpul!

For more info:



+++DetEcTive+++ Report 24 Apr 2013 10:19

You can check for yourself on the NA


Claire Report 24 Apr 2013 10:04

Re: tailoring. My Aunt & Mum both had all their dresses made by George as young girls and he cut the cloth and made them perfectly which is why I think as a young man he would definitely had training probably by his father before they fell out.

Don't think William Holmes related but maybe he worked with George & that could be how he met Alice?

Have tried his RFC record it not on ancestry so will have to arrange for someone to check out National Archives.


PatinCyprus Report 24 Apr 2013 08:47

Just a note re court tailors.

My M I L was a court tailor - it has nothing to do with royalty.

Few get to be court tailors, your hand stitching is of excellent quality - it is a statement of how good you are.

My M I L hand stitched 6 dresses for my daughter as a baby, it looked as if she used a machine and all straight lines, it was incredible. :-)


brummiejan Report 23 Apr 2013 23:24

I don't really think it's him, but William George Holmes is an interesting man. His first wife (m.1895) seems to be Mary Ann Davis (not sure if a relative of Dorothy, also a Davis, but not her sister as a different father). William is his son by Mary, obviously! He was widowed by 1901. His father was George Holmes also a clerk. He is laughing at me across the years I think, as Mary's father was a tailor!!
But I think what I need now is sleep as I know I am hallucinating.
Jan :-S


brummiejan Report 23 Apr 2013 22:35

It couldn't be could it! This road is 1 minute's walk from Grove Place according to google map, assuming I have the right area:

1911 England Census
Name: William Holmes
Age in 1911: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Acton, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Acton
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address: 31 Grove Road, Acton W
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Commercial Clerk
Registration district: Brentford
Registration District Number: 128
Sub-registration district: Acton

William Holmes 41
Dorothy Holmes 28
William Holmes 13
Marion Davis 25

Just speculating wildly, apologies to relatives of Mr. Holmes!! :-D



brummiejan Report 23 Apr 2013 22:24

Is this Alice 1911?? Just placing her at least. Bit of a career move if so!

1911 England Census
Name: Alice Taylor
Age in 1911: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Clapham, Surrey, England
Civil parish: Acton
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address: 24 Grove Place, Acton W
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Manageress Pastry Cooks
Registration district: Brentford
Registration District Number: 128
Sub-registration district: Acton

Louisa Taylor 60
Alice Taylor 27
Victor Taylor 23
Louisa Taylor 20
Lavinia Taylor 18

was plain ann now annielaurie

was plain ann now annielaurie Report 23 Apr 2013 22:13

His RFC records might be on Ancestry. If not, they should be at the National Archives. Not online, though - you would have to go there or get someone to go for you. Hopefully they should give place of birth.


Claire Report 23 Apr 2013 20:55

Hi, Alice Rayner Taylor was a confectioners assistant and lived at 24 Grove Place. I have no idea if he was English there had been talk of him attending Dulwich College but checked that out and not listed. His father could be Scottish, Irish or Welsh as a few Murrays have come up on census for tailors and apprentices. That's why I thought if the pension service still had the details from his teacher confirming his age at least I would know which school he attended to try and pinpoint whatprt of the country to concentrate on. My Gran did say his father was a Court Tailor but he could have told them anything really although maybe they were well off if he was sent to Africa or would that have been sponsored by someone? I'm afraid very few proven facts to work on :-(


patchem Report 23 Apr 2013 20:08

Alice Rayner Taylor
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1884
Registration district: Wandsworth
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 575

Alice R Murray
Birth Date: abt 1886
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1959
Age at Death: 73
Registration district: Ealing
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume: 5e
Page: 152


MarieCeleste Report 23 Apr 2013 19:59

I know it's not finding George's birth but thought I'd post it seeing as I found it:

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966
Name: Alice Raynor Murray
Probate Date: 18 Mar 1959
Death Date: 2 Feb 1959
Death Place: London, England
Registry: London, England

A widow of 5 Whitehall Gardens, Acton. Admin to Joan Alice Sangler, married woman. Effects £398 1s 8d


MarieCeleste Report 23 Apr 2013 19:47

Can only find the Banns, which do describe him as a bachelor:

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: George Murray
Spouse Name: Alice Rayner Taylor
Record Type: Banns
Event Date: 18 Oct 1914
Parish: Acton St Mary
Borough: Ealing
Register Type: Parish Register


brummiejan Report 23 Apr 2013 19:06

No luck whatsoever. What about a different approach? Have you located Alice in 1911? It's possible (maybe!) that he was living not too far away, who knows.
What was her middle name and when was she born?

EDIT she was Alice Rayner, is that right?


Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 23 Apr 2013 18:48

Claire sorry wasnt meant as a correction thought it may help in the look ups :-)

So he wasnt a tailor when he married ?/ was looking for him as tailor


brummiejan Report 23 Apr 2013 18:45

Bit of a mystery man! There are one or two George Murray's who are clerks 1911, and 2 commercial clerks, but nobody fits all that well.
Just checking - I assume he was English as far as you know?


Claire Report 23 Apr 2013 18:41

He was a commercial clerk?


Claire Report 23 Apr 2013 18:39

Sorry Shirley, he was 41 when he got married typed it in wrong :-(

We don't know if he was married before, my Aunt would be delighted if he was cos she thinks he was very secretive. We know nothing definite about his life until he got married and even then they only got married cos Alice was 3 months pregnant!!!!


brummiejan Report 23 Apr 2013 18:35

Well, he wasn't there 1911! What was his occupation when he married?


patchem Report 23 Apr 2013 18:34

Had he been married before?