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1861 census look up please

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Rosalinda

Rosalinda Report 26 Apr 2013 22:15

thomas holt 1813
margret holt 1811
abraham ingram 1791
elizabeth ingram 1803

Please let me know the address they are living at and where Thomas and Margaret were born. thanks

Rosalinda

Rosalinda Report 26 Apr 2013 22:16

The census is in Oldham Lancashire

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 26 Apr 2013 22:20

Address is Bates Street - no number given

1861 England Census
Name: Thomas Holt (occ carter)
Age: 48
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1813
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Margaret Holt
Gender: Male
Where born: Smallbridge, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Oldham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
Town: Oldham
County/Island: Lancashire

Registration district: Oldham
Sub-registration district: Oldham Below Town

Thomas Holt 48
Margaret Holt 48 Where born: Inley, Lancashire, England



Reggie

Reggie Report 26 Apr 2013 22:21

1861 census

Person: INGRAM, Abraham Address: Bates Street, Oldham

INGRAM, Abraham Head Married M 70 1791 Herbalist
Staplegrove, Cheshire VIEW
INGRAM, Elizabeth Wife Married F 58 1803
VIEW
PINK, Joseph Grandson M 13 1848
Liverpool, Lancashire

Reggie

Reggie Report 26 Apr 2013 22:23

1861 census

Person: HOLT, Thomas Address: Bates Street, Oldham

HOLT, Thomas Head Married M 48 1813 Carter
Ford Bridge, Lancashire VIEW
HOLT, Margaret Wife Married F 48 1813
..., Lancashire

The image looks like 'Inley' for Margaret's birthplace...........never heard of it

It hasn't been transcribed on FMP

Rosalinda

Rosalinda Report 26 Apr 2013 22:24

thank you

CupCakes

CupCakes Report 26 Apr 2013 23:45

Think it is probably Hindley - dialect up there is strong so comes out sounding like Inley

mgnv

mgnv Report 28 Apr 2013 09:06

I read Thos's pob as Small Bridge Lancs. Margt's as Inley, Lancs, Abraham the Herbalist as Hasle Grove, Cheshire (presumably Hazel Grove near Stockport) and Eliz's pob is blank.

Having spent some time in the Bird ith Hand, I can say no one in Hindley had a dialect - they all claimed to talk ordinary - it seems they thought I had a dalect, though - quite untrue - I just talked ordinary cockney like almost everyone else I knew.

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 28 Apr 2013 11:42

That's a weird thing to say MGNV! Everyone has a dialect don't they, just means a way of speaking - a definition is:

'A regional or social variety of a language distinguished by pronunciation, grammar, or vocabulary, especially a variety of speech differing from the standard literary language or speech pattern of the culture in which it exists: Cockney is a dialect of English.'

Maybe you are using the term differently??

Jan

Rosalinda

Rosalinda Report 28 Apr 2013 12:49

Thanks yes it may well be Hindley. It looks like the address on this census may be a lodging house due to so many people there.

Rosalinda

Rosalinda Report 28 Apr 2013 13:38

Another look up please.
I have found Mary Holt christened 25/07/1819 liverpool-dad John and mum Elizabeth but there are no other births .

I am trying to find if Mary had any sibblings. Please could someone check this christening to see if her mums name is correct thanks

Rosalinda

Rosalinda Report 28 Apr 2013 13:38

thread

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 28 Apr 2013 22:43

do you have any children of Thomas & Margeret Holt or Margaret's maiden name. the birth place in 1861 certainly looks like Inley and in 1851 Ingley. Living in Oldham and Thomas born Rochdale - Hindley is a fair distance away (not impossible I know)

I would have though even with a Lancs accent the 'd' would have been discernable if the name was 'Hindley' but maybe my Lancs accent is not broad enough!

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 28 Apr 2013 22:57

is the Mary Holt you want checking the wife of George Pink and the mother of Joseph Pink, abraham's grandson in 1861

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 28 Apr 2013 23:08

Baptism: 25 Jul 1819 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Mary Holt - [Child] of John Holt & Elizabeth
Abode: Cavendish St
Occupation: Labourer

John is a soldier on Mary's marriage to George Pink

Rosalinda

Rosalinda Report 1 May 2013 22:27

Yes Mary Holt is the mother of Joseph Pink and wife of George Pink. I think she later married John Dunn and has a son John.

I have looked to see if John Holt and Elizabeth had any more children but I can't find any.

Thanks for the above information. I'm still chipping away at it.

Reggie

Reggie Report 1 May 2013 22:37

Have you tried Lancs OPC site?

BUT.................Mary could easily have been an only child....................

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 2 May 2013 01:38

Jan

re mgnv's comment about dialects.

Very few people actually think they have a dialect, because everyone around them is talking the same way.

I didn't think I had a Lancashire accent and dialect ............. until I went to university, and then emigrated.


Now, I still don't think I have an accent, until I hear my recorded voice. THEN I can tell I still have a Lancashire accent

and I have to be careful that I don't suddenly use Lancashire dialect words!

I don't think most Canadians have an accent or dialect .................... particularly those in the province where I live.

Yet others think Canadians do have a distinct accent



I think mgnv was posting somewhat tongue in cheek re the problem of people from different areas of the UK understanding each other.

I know, as I said, that I didn't think I had an accent or dialect ................. but I certainly knew that people from the town 10 miles away had an accent and dialect!

Rosalinda

Rosalinda Report 2 May 2013 08:14

Thanks Reggie. I have looked at this site before and scrolled through the names but have just discovered I can do a name search!
I still can't find anything but this will be useful.

Jan, I have a strong lancashire accent and I'd love to have a more neutral accent. I guess a slight accent is the best.

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 2 May 2013 18:44

so re Mary Holt

1st marriage:

Marriage: 8 Dec 1834 St Nicholas, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Saul Spencer - Chimney Sweep, Liverpool
Mary Ann Holt - Spinster, Liverpool
Married by Banns by: Thomas Halton Curate

Deaths Sep 1839 (>99%)
SPENCER Saul Liverpool 20 269

2nd marriage

Name: Mary Ann Spencer
Age: Full Age
Marriage Date: 15 Aug 1841
Parish: Liverpool, St Nicholas
Spouse's Name: George Pink
Father's Name: John Holt
Spouse Father's Name: William Pink

George death 1851

When do you think Mary married John Dunn please