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Geraldine Report 7 May 2013 11:10

Is is highly possible that one would Llie about being a relative to head of house on census form . As i can find no link from BDM



Reggie Report 7 May 2013 11:16

Not necessarily 'lie'..................

BUT.........what relationship is claimed?

What BMD 'link' should there be?


Reggie Report 7 May 2013 11:18

Is this connected with your post on another board on here?


Geraldine Report 7 May 2013 11:40


yes .Link i mean just cant find the connection.



KenSE Report 7 May 2013 11:48

Certainly I have found people described as Visitor or Servant who were in fact related to the head such as nieces or aunts.

Sometimes brother is used instead of brother-in-law or step brother, likewise for sister.

It sounds as though you have someone who is described as related but you thinisn't. because there is no entry in marriages or births. This happens sometimes if a couple live together, perhaps with their children, but they can't marry.

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 7 May 2013 14:44

Not unusual for a couple to appear to be married but arent .

I have one relation who was living in as a housekeeper .she was in fact cohabiting with the head of house and had loads of children with him.
She was married but had deserted her husband ,or the other way round as he was at sea most of the time !!.

Her children by him had his surname as one of their names & with her surname


DazedConfused Report 7 May 2013 19:46

I have one g/guncle who over the years had 2 'wives' no record of any marriages to be found for either wife

And 2nd one, when researching her family, well...... I thought there were a few skeletons in my family but hers is was just rattling like crazy.....

My g/grandmother had her first daughter out of wedlock, but on the 1911 census you can see where my g/grandfather filled out the years married correctly and someone has amended it so it looks like they married before my aunt was born!!!!

So yes people lied, sometime intentionally, but others 'cos they just used the terminology of the time. So nephew could be nephew, son-in-law or even just a neighbour or friends son. I recall calling all older people Aunitie or Uncle ...


Locator Report 7 May 2013 22:33

Hi Geraldine, are you looking for a marriage to a child of the Head; for a person listed as Daughter-in-law or Son-in-law, this was also a term used for step children brought into the marriage by either or both spouses...


Geraldine Report 7 May 2013 23:09

yes i am looking for a child sullivan Mary her parents were michael sullivan and mary ann sullivan dont have her maiden name

mary was born in 1887 in bermondsey , she on the 1891 census aged 4 and her brother thomas 11yrs

by 1911 no sign of daughter Mary or mother Mary Ann was only 24 in the 1891 census
the 1911 census bermonsedy /southwark thomas has married a norah they have 2 children .

also living is david and edward fox they are down as Brother in laws to the head of house hold but they are single.

So mary born in 1887 is the only link or connection i have ..



CupCakes Report 8 May 2013 07:44

Geraldine what a lovely question - lie......people haven't changed
Human nature being what it is, you can read all sorts of weird and wonderful things on the census.
That is why it is often difficult to find people.

:-D :-D :-D


Locator Report 8 May 2013 07:44

Oh yes I see what you mean, because wife & Bro-in-laws are born same place Norah could be a Fox; previously married to a Riordan..

It states in the 1891C Michael was widowed, in the 1901C there is a Michael Sullivan same age born Ireland, {wrong job} married to a Catherine with daughter Bridget born 1900, this couple 'appear to have' to have married just two years before Bridget was born and there is a death of a Catherine Sullivan same age, in the right right area in 1903...

There is a daughter Mary within this family in 1901C although birth year is out by a year or so, is it worth trying to track down Bridget....

Maybe a long shot; but with some brick walls that is all we have..


Reggie Report 8 May 2013 09:09


Geraldine Report 8 May 2013 11:02

Reggie i started a new thread to find Mary there daughter just not to confuse people maybe i have done it not on purpose . Sorry.


Michael wife Mary Ann is on the 1881 c

thanks for your help .I have locate Thomas and norah marriage in 1901 in bermonsesy and states her maiden name is Riordan and Spinster and her father is james riordan ..

Also got birth record for there daughter lucy and her mother is also formely riordan

But the Norah thought i found her father was James Fox and mother julia carey


KenSE Report 8 May 2013 11:16

The thread started off as a genealogical question, it wasn't Geraldine's fault that others have tried to turn it into a look-up thread.


Geraldine Report 8 May 2013 11:40


for all the help will keep searching away . i find this site brillant



Locator Report 9 May 2013 08:17

Apologies it was not my intention to 'turn it into a look up thread', my main intention was to comment as re: Step siblings were also called in-laws back then, however I got side tracked when looking up what 'in-laws' Geraldine was speaking of, sorry I do not tread the boards often; hence was not aware there were rules against mixing...

Especially sorry for causing you the problem Geraldine. Have a nice day


Geraldine Report 9 May 2013 10:46


I apprecitated all help recieved .

Have a lovely day too