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Elaine

Elaine Report 17 May 2013 23:32

thnx once again M ....and I've copied this out,this time!

Elaine

mgnv

mgnv Report 17 May 2013 21:02

No, it wasn't me - but anyways, showing in the addy box at the top of your browser is the URL for this page:

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1324836?page=1
My browser (Google chrome) actually hides the 1st 7 characters, but they're there.

Click your cursor in the addy box - this usually highlights the URL.
If it doesn't, click your cursor on a linkless part of the page, then try again.
If all else fails, you can highlite the URL by clicking your cursor at one end of the URL, then dragging the cursor with the right button down thru to the other end.

Once you've gotten the URL highlighted, type Ctrl-c (i.e., hold the Ctrl key down and type c). this copies the highlighted stuff to your clipboard after emptying it.
(The clipboard's a hidden location in memory - well, hidden for ordinary users.)
Now click your cursor in the target location - a reply box in the example - and type Ctrl-v. That does the psste (but doesn't empty the clipboard, so you can click again in the reply box, and type Ctrl-v again, and get another copy of the URL pasted in, and repeat that as often as you like.
[There're other ways of doing the actual copy and paste operations, and the related Ctrl-x = cut, but I normally use the way I posted]


Actually, it's not normally a good idea to start readers in the middle of a thread, so rather than

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1324836?page=1

it's usually better to use

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1324836

Elaine

Elaine Report 17 May 2013 09:10

Oh..sorry! Thnx for putting up the link...I think somebody told me how to put links up(prob you,you have taught me a lot!)but I didn't write it down,or print instructions off,so now I can't find it! Lol.....I'm blaming it on old age..I'm nearer to 70,than to 60!!
Elaine

mgnv

mgnv Report 16 May 2013 23:14

Yeah, Elaine, but I was really posting abt using both the local index and the GRO index to (maybe) resolve who wed whom for the general readership as well as you - course, the example I had handy was your folks as I'd just looked it up a couple of days back.

For ref, Elaine's main (non-geographical) thread is:
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1323898

Elaine

Elaine Report 16 May 2013 20:39

thnx M.....had their marriage(in fact I think it was you who verified what i had!)

have just posted Thomas,Maria and family in 1901 census,on main thread for the Kellys....i just wanted to ask bout geography on here...i keep getting in bother for starting different threads! lol.......the main thread is "Mary Ann Kelly.,where were you in 1901?"

Elaine

mgnv

mgnv Report 16 May 2013 17:50

Although Wrexham marrs are covered by both the Wrexham local index (their site also has cemetery info) and
http://www.northwalesbmd.org.uk/index.php
They both have the same BMD info and, unfortunately, do not index their marrs by entry #, but just by the local page #. E.g.,

North Wales Marriage indexes for the years: 1868
Surname Forename Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
KELLY Thomas Wrexham, Civil Marriage Wrexham County Borough (Wrexham) WM/013/15
HOWARD Mary Ellen WM/013/15
JOHNSON Maria WM/013/15
REYNOLDS William WM/013/15

Here's the corresponding lookup at FreeBMD, and the following page (each is reordered here):

Marriages Dec 1868 (>99%)
WILLIAMS William Wrexham 11b 544
EDWARDS Ann Wrexham 11b 544
------------------
Kelly Thomas Wrexham 11b 544
Johnson Maria Wrexham 11b 544

Marriages Dec 1868 (>99%)
Reynolds William Wrexham 11b 545
HOWARD Mary Ellen Wrexham 11b 545
-------------------
Rogers Price Wrexham 11b 545
Reynolds Sarah Jane Wrexham 11b 545

Note the local and GRO pages are misaligned - this happens abt 50% of time - so the pairs of names on the pages differ, so taking the two indexes together, we can say who wed whom - I've indicated the pairings by my reordering here.


mgnv

mgnv Report 16 May 2013 17:37

Apart from indecision abt Monmouth, I don't think the English/Welsh border was changed. The town of Wrexham was in Flintshire.

Some things don't exactly follow the national boundary, e.g., Swansea FC play in the English premier league.

Rego districts are another example. Wrexham RD had parts of Flint and Denbeigh, and in the very early days, parts of Cheshire.

Llangollen was in Denbeighshire. Until 1935, it was in Corwen RD. Corwen was abolished in 1935, and also the parish boundaries of Llangollen were altered - most of Llangollen went to Wrexham RD, although a fragment affected by the new parish boundaries went with its new parish (Llandegla) into Ruthin RD.

Elaine

Elaine Report 15 May 2013 23:18

about it not being illegal not to register a child? Yes I did,but it costs nothing to look,and i DID find a birth in Wrexham,tonight, and have a ref no. Registers at Wrexham County Borough(Wrexham)
Have messaged the other lady looking for same family,to see whether that was the ref.she had.
Had to go back to births cos i simply couldnt find a baptism!
I try and use EVERY bit of info i get.
Elaine

Reggie

Reggie Report 15 May 2013 22:10

Elaine

Did you not take on board the info about registration before 1875??????

Elaine

Elaine Report 15 May 2013 17:09

Right,that puts the kibbosh on that then!

thnx RR.

will have to try Roys suggestion that records are maybe held elsewhere.

Gremlins seem to have got into my GR this aft...everythings going in slow motion,including scrolling to earlier posts to check things!

:-(

Rambling Rose

Rambling Rose Report 15 May 2013 17:01

I live not far from Newport Shropshire, it is a long way from Wrexham and Llangollen, so unless the mother had family there that she went to stay with for the birth it is very unlikely.

Elaine

Elaine Report 15 May 2013 15:09

lol..thats what i thought you meant Andysmum.

I was born Atherton,but births etc were reg 3 1/2 mls away in Leigh...now,I think they're registered in Wigan(6 mls away)

Andysmum

Andysmum Report 15 May 2013 14:46

PP - I think you have misunderstood what I said.

I meant that Registrars were situated in the larger towns, not that only people in large towns registered births!

Elaine

Elaine Report 15 May 2013 14:22

Stuart...in censuses 1871.,'81.,'91 and 1911,he was down as one of the following:-Llangollen.Denbighshire or Denbighshire.Wales or Llangollen.Wrexham or simply Denbighshire.
Not found him in 1901 yet! lol

PP...only got in touch with this lady last week...i sent the same message to loads of people,and she had the same names and her family lived at the same house in the same street,and had the same names as mine!
Will message her to see where she wrote to for the birth cert(in fact i'll look at our message history and see does she mention it there)

I have a thread running on GR,titled "Mary Ann Kelly,where were you in 1901?
That is why I havent put names on here,so as not to confuse people....this was more of a geographical question.(I have an awful habit of getting in bother,with flitting from one to another!)hahaha

** Part of Shropshire was included in the Welsh diocese of St Asaph until the disestablishment of the Church in Wales (1920), comprising the deanery of Oswestry in the archdeaconry of Montgomery, and two parishes in the deanery of Llangollen and the archdeaconry of Wrexham.[7] Certain parishes in Montgomeryshire chose to remain in the diocese of Hereford.[citation needed]


I found this when i googled "how far is it from Wrexham.Denbighshire to Newport.Shropshire",but i dont understand what it means! lol

Thelma

Thelma Report 15 May 2013 13:58

Why not order the cert from Newport the same way as the Wrexham one.

Porkie_Pie

Porkie_Pie Report 15 May 2013 13:47

Where did she apply for the birth cert, was it through the GRO or Wrexham


The reason I ask is that the records for registration district Wrexham are now split between Wrexham and Cheshire West & Chester so the record could be held at the Cheshire West & Chester office

WREXHAM REGISTRATION DISTRICT

Registration County : Denbighshire.
Created : 1.7.1837.
Abolished : 1.4.1974 (to become part of Wrexham Maelor registration district).
Sub-districts : Holt, Hope, Llangollen, Malpas, Ruabon, Wrexham., Wrexham & Bromfield
GRO volumes : XXVII (1837–51), 11b (1852–1946), 8A (1946–74).
Registers now held by : Wrexham and Cheshire West & Chester


And was the name spelling correct? on the application

Roy

greyghost

greyghost Report 15 May 2013 12:59

Does the person maintain on all census that he was born in Wrexham or does the place change?

Also sometimes people only remember where they lived as a younger person, which may not have been where they were born.

Newport Shropshire is 30+ miles from Wrexham

Elaine

Elaine Report 15 May 2013 11:49

Sorry Reggie,she sent for copy of a birth cert,so,of course,I should have put baptism.

PP...my grandad was one of about 10 children....a couple were bapt RC,one bapt,but not RC....can't find baptisms for ANY of the others,inc mi grandad!
Where will I find the Catholic Baptism records,in case any are on there?

DazedConfused

DazedConfused Report 15 May 2013 11:42

'Birth were registered in the larger towns' well my g/grandfather was born in 1874 in Liverpool and his birth was never registered. Odd 'cos his 4 older siblings were, but as his parents had 'problems' I have made allowances for them, the only way I found out about him was through the Catholic Baptism records.

So being in a large town did not really make that much difference.

Elaine

Elaine Report 15 May 2013 11:01

Yes,Ken...I did find a birth in Newport .Shrops,but it had on census that he was b Llangollen.,Wrexham.,Denbighshire....so I'm trying to find a connection between the 2 towns!
He DEFINITELY wasn't born in Llangollen,as I put above,the lady had her money returned because he wasn't born there.