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I am having a problem researching my GGGF.
He isn't on the 1861 census.His wife to be is.
My GGF is Stephen Joseph Collins he married Phoebe Bentley on 19th of May 1861.
They were married at St Marys Wednesbury Birmingham.
Stephen was supposed to be a( Master) Painter living in Leamington, Warwickshire
Can some explain to me why he doesn't register on the census, but clearly gets narried 2 monthd later?
Given what he was supposed to be, suely he would show on it?
Any ideas wouls greatly be appreciated.
Wally.

Born when and where ?

Have you tried using different surnames spellings and he may only have his first name shortened if he was lodging somewhere.

There are a lot of pieces missing from 1861

Could this be him? :-

1861 census transcription details for: King Street, Wednesbury

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG09
Piece: 2036
Folio: 4
Page: 3
Reg. District: West Bromwich
Sub District: 5 Wednesbury
Parish: Wednesbury
Enum. District: 21
Ecclesiastical District: St James
City/Municipal Borough:

Address: King Street, Wednesbury
County: Staffordshire

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born

WHELER, Joseph Head Married M 48 1813 Painter
Wednesbury, Staffordshire
WHELER, Eve Wife Married F 49 1812
Kingswinford, Staffordshire
WHELER, Hercules Son Unmarried M 23 1838 Painter
Wednesbury, Staffordshire
WHELER, James A Son Unmarried M 23 1838 Painter
Wednesbury, Staffordshire
WHELER, Mary J Daughter Unmarried F 17 1844
Wednesbury, Staffordshire
WHELER, Esther Daughter Unmarried F 14 1847 Dressmaker
Wednesbury, Staffordshire
COLLENS, Stephen Boarder Unmarried M 25 1836 Painter
Leamington, Warwickshire<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Kath. x

That looks good as the marriage is registered in West Bromwich

Many thans, Yes Kath it looks promising.
The spelling catches you em instead of in.
He fits in with what i know.
When i look back at the 1851 census there is nothing.
His Father was also called Stephen, who was a brick layer.
I found a a Stephen in 1851, bricklayers labour. He couls be connected but he is vistimg a lady, nop mention of his family.
Kind regards Wally :-)

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1841 England Census
Stephen Collins Age: 7 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Gender: Male Where born: Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish: Leamington Priors Hundred: Knightlow (Kenilworth Division)
County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England
Registration District: Warwick Sub-registration District: Leamington
Piece: 1135 Book: 17 Folio: 7 Page Number: 44
Selena Collins 30
John Collins 9
Stephen Collins 7
Ann Collins 5
Thomas Collins 10 Mo
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1135; Book: 17; Civil Parish: Leamington Priors; County: Warwickshire; Enumeration District: 14; Folio: 7; Page: 44; Line: 2; GSU roll: 464174.

Birth certificate of Thomas would name if correct father.

Thank you Patchem,I went looking in 1851 to see if they were still there, but no luck.I will get the BC to see who the father is?
Appreciate all your effortd.
Kind regards wally :-) :-)

1841 ? father a couple of census pages back from above census

Name:
Stephen Collins
Age:
30
Estimated Birth Year:
abt 1811
Gender:
Male
Where born:
Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish:
Leamington Priors
Hundred:
Knightlow (Kenilworth Division)
County/Island:
Warwickshire
Country:
England
Household Members:
Stephen Collins 30
Ann Rice 30
Mary Rice 10
Thomas Rice 7

?1851
Bricklayer lab. if someone could take a look at the image it might say wid.
Name:
Stephen Collins
Age:
34
Estimated Birth Year:
abt 1817
Relation:
Visitor
Gender:
M (Male)
Where born:
Ireland
Civil Parish:
Coventry Holy Trinity
County/Island:
Warwickshire
Country:
England

possible death index

Name:
Selena Collins
Date of Registration:
Jul-Aug-Sep 1844
Registration District:
Warwick
Inferred County:
Warwickshire
Volume:
16
Page:
358

The 1851 census does say "widower" and born Ireland:-

1851 census transcription details for: Chauntry Place, Holy Trinity, Coventry

National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107
Piece: 2068
Folio: 219
Page: 19
Reg. District: Coventry
Sub District: Holy Trinity
Parish: Holy Trinity
Enum. District: 1K
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough: Coventry

Address: Chauntry Place, Holy Trinity, Coventry
County: Warwickshire

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born

HABETTS, Elizabeth Head Widow F 39 1812 Silk Filler
Coventry, Warwickshire
HABETTS, Emma Daughter F 19 1832 Silk Winder
Stoke, Warwickshire
HABETTS, Ann Daughter F 16 1835 Silk Filler
Congleton, Cheshire
COLLINS, Stephen Visitor Widower M 39 1812 Bricklayers Labourer Ireland<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Kath. x