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Double entries in B. M.D

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Robert

Robert Report 14 Jun 2013 20:22

Roy,
Thanks for the advice & hyperlink.

Robert.

Porkie_Pie

Porkie_Pie Report 14 Jun 2013 19:12

Robert, make sure you order from either the GRO or local registry office and not through a third party who will charge a premium

The GRO charge £9.25 which includes postage

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

Roy

Gins

Gins Report 14 Jun 2013 19:07

I wonder if you could ring the GRO and ask for some advice?

Robert

Robert Report 14 Jun 2013 09:28

Thanks to all who took time out to reply to my query. I am going down the route of ordering a certificate using the 's' reference & will see what the outcome is.

Many thanks,

Robert.

InspectorGreenPen

InspectorGreenPen Report 14 Jun 2013 05:42

Yes, agreed. The 's' means that there has been an amendment. The later entry without the 's' is is now the definitive one.

In the case of my father's death there were two errors on the cert as originally issued. His name was spelled incorrectly and his date of birth was wrong.

A new cert was issued with the correct details and recorded on a new page of the register. The original page in the actual register (the 's' entry in the Index) is presumably annotated to xref to the corrected entry. I say presumably because we can't see the actual register.

If you try to order a cert using the 's' reference it won't be issued, but you should get the later corrected one instead, at least in theory, but I'm sure I've seen examples where the original has been issued by mistake.

Robert

Robert Report 13 Jun 2013 22:29

The double entry is for a death,
See where you are coming from!

Robert

Porkie_Pie

Porkie_Pie Report 13 Jun 2013 22:16

Hi Robert and welcome to the boards, can you just confirm the double entry refers to a death (Edited its been confirmed it is a death)

The 's' after the first number would indicate an amendment of some kind to the original entry so the example that InspectorGreenPen gives is a strong possibility


Roy

Robert

Robert Report 13 Jun 2013 22:06

Example of entry:
Same name.
Date of birth is correct - same in both, so age is correct(same person) eg;24 April 1970.
Death reg in same quarter & year -correct. 4th quarter 1981.
Volume number same. 10b
District is the same, and I know this to be correct.
Volume page 567 & 772 , the ftrst number is followed by an 's' the second number has nothing after it
Line numbers are 62 & 63, in other words they follow one another.

above is personal message sent to Porkie_Pie's query for an example which should have been sent to all who have replied, apologies I am new to this!

Gwyn in Kent

Gwyn in Kent Report 13 Jun 2013 18:53

Someone on my tree has 10 entries.
No image available as it is too recent, but I have every reason to believe that they are for the same person.

Gwyn

InspectorGreenPen

InspectorGreenPen Report 13 Jun 2013 18:24

It can also occur if there has been a later amendment.

My father's death has a total of 4 entries in the GRO Index as a result of errors in the original registration, referencing two pages in the actual Register.

We also have other examples in our tree where the parents married after the birth of the children and they were registered again in the father's surname.

Margee

Margee Report 13 Jun 2013 18:21

Have you looked at the original for both to see if it's just a transcription error?

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 13 Jun 2013 17:54

If it's similar then it's possible that the original is hard to read, and 2 people have submitted a transcription for the same birth. '5' and '6' are sometimes difficult to distinguish, for example.
Jan

Porkie_Pie

Porkie_Pie Report 13 Jun 2013 17:50

Volume and page number being different would generally indicate that they are not the same person because the vol is area/district specific, and page number is location specific, Their are reasons why their could be 2 entries for the same person but they would need to have the same volume and page number to have a chance of being the same person,

Could you give a specific example?

Roy

Edited, Without more info it is difficult to say why or if it is a double entry

Robert

Robert Report 13 Jun 2013 17:42

Can anyone explain why 2 entries are made in the B,M.D for the same person, info is correct on both entries the only difference being the volume page number