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Parish Record Collection - Baptism Record
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Forenames: Charles
Surname: Probin
Sex: Male
Christening Year: 1839
Christening Date: 29 Dec 1839
Date of Birth:
Age:
Location: Malpas
Father's Forenames: Thomas
Father's Surname: Probin
Mother's Forename: Elizabeth
Mother's Surname:
Parish:
City or Town: Malpas
County: Cheshire



Parish Record Collection - Marriage Record
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Forenames: Charles
Surname: Probin
Marriage Date: 24 Apr 1862
Marriage Year: 1862
Age: 22y
Record Group: Part 1 - 1
Ref ID: item 3 p 226
Spouse's Forenames: Esther
Spouse's Surname: Griffiths
Spouse's Age: 21y
Spouse's Father's Name: Richard Griffiths
Parish:
City / Town:
County: Cheshire


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Parish Record Collection - Baptism Record
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Forenames: Ann
Surname: Probin
Sex: Female
Christening Year: 1864
Christening Date: 02 Oct 1864
Date of Birth:
Age:
Location: Tushingham-cum-Grindley
Father's Forenames: Charles
Father's Surname: Probin
Mother's Forename: Esther
Mother's Surname: Probin
Parish: St. Chad
City or Town: Tushingham-cum-Grindley
County: Cheshire



Tushingham was originally a township in Malpas ancient parish which obtained its separate civil parish status in 1866.


From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tushingham_cum_Grindley

I could not see one at first look though.

Malpas and Whitchurch could be classed as the same area thogh.

As in 1871 Address: Ebnal, Malpas
PROBIN, William Head M 27 1844 Cheshire
PROBIN, Ann Wife F 25 1846 Denbighshire Piece: 2798 Folio: 24 Page: 38 Registration District: Whitchurch Civil Parish: Malpas Municipal Borough: Address: Ebnal, Malpas County: Shropshire

Note not your Annie but just to demonstrate.

Esther's death?

Parish Record Collection - Burial Record
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Forenames: Esther
Surname: Probin
Marital Status:
Burial Date: 28 Apr 1866
Burial Year: 1866
Age: 24y
Sex: Female
Burial Place: Tushingham-cum-Grindley
Date of Death:
Father's Forename:
Father's Surname:
Mother's Forenames:
Mother's Surname:
Residence: St. Chad, Tushingham-cum-Grindley
Spouse's Forenames:
Spouse's Surname:
Parish: St. Chad
City or Town: Tushingham-cum-Grindley
County: Cheshire

?? 1881 census transcription details for: Chester Rd, Saighton

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11
Piece: 3553
Folio: 45
Page: 5
Reg. District: Chester
Sub District: Tattenhall
Parish: Saighton
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Chester Rd, Saighton
County: Cheshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
PROBIN, Charles Head Married M 41 1840 Farm Labourer Edge Malpas, Cheshire
PROBIN, Emma Wife Married F 28 1853 Farm Labourer Wife Broxton, Cheshire
PROBIN, Annie Daughter Single F 16 1865 Farm Labourer DaurTushingham, Cheshire
PROBIN, Jane Daughter Single F 5 1876 Scholar Mollangton Chester, Cheshire
PROBIN, Thomas Son Single M 3 1878 Stone Bridge, Cheshire
PROBIN, John Son Single M 1 1880 Saighton, Cheshire

1841 census transcription details for: Edge, Malpas, Edge
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107
Piece: 89
Book/Folio: 21/5
Page: 4
Reg. District: Boughton, Great
Sub District: Tattenhall
Parish: Malpas
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Edge, Malpas, Edge
County: Cheshire
Name Relation Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
PROBBING, Thomas M 44 1797 Cheshire
PROBBING, Elizabeth F 43 1798 Cheshire
PROBBING, Ann F 10 1831 Cheshire
PROBBING, Martha F 8 1833 Cheshire
PROBBING, Fraces F 5 1836 Cheshire
PROBBING, Henery M 3 1838 Cheshire
PROBBING, Charles M 1 1840 Cheshire


1851 census transcription details for: Edge, Edge
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107
Piece: 2171
Folio: 26
Page: 10
Reg. District: Great Boughton
Sub District: Tattenhall
Parish: Edge
Enum. District: 2 & 3
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Edge, Edge
County: Cheshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
PROBIN, Thomas Head Married M 54 1797 Ag Labourer
Duckington, Cheshire
PROBIN, Elizabeth Wife Married F 52 1799 Ag Labourer's Wife
Tilston, Cheshire
PROBIN, Charles Grand Son M 11 1840
Edge, Cheshire
PROBIN, Emma Grand Daughter F 7 1844
Edge, Cheshire



1861 census transcription details for: Hampton, Hampton
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG09
Piece: 1891
Folio: 38
Page: 20
Reg. District: Whitchurch
Sub District: 2 Malpas
Parish: Hampton
Enum. District: 2
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Hampton, Hampton
County: Shropshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
WESTON, John Head Married M 41 1820 Farmer 97 Acres Employing 3 Men And Boy
Stapley, Cheshire
WESTON, Esther Wife Married F 41 1820 Farmers Wife
Barton, Cheshire
WESTON, John Son M 9 1852 Scholar
Hampton, Cheshire
WESTON, Mary Kate Daughter F 8 1853 Scholar
Hampton, Cheshire
WESTON, Martha Daughter F 7 1854 Scholar
Hampton, Cheshire
WESTON, James Son M 3 1858
Hampton, Cheshire
WESTON, Harriet Elizth Daughter F 1 1860
Hampton, Cheshire
WESTON, Enock Father Widower M 78 1783
..., Flintshire
CHESWORTH, Emma Servant Unmarried F 21 1840 Servant
Marbury, Cheshire
GIBBONS, Elizabeth Servant Unmarried F 18 1843 House Servant
Edge, Cheshire
>.PROBIN, Charles Servant Unmarried M 20 1841 Carter
Wembury, Cheshire
FAULKNER, John Servant Unmarried M 18 1843 Servant
Wembury, Cheshire


1871 census transcription details for: Edge, Edge
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG10
Piece: 2798
Folio: 71
Page: 33
Reg. District: Whitchurch
Sub District: Malpas Cheshire
Parish: Edge
Enum. District: 4
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Edge, Edge
County: Shropshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
PROBIN, Thos Head M 74 1797 Cheshire
PROBIN, Elizabeth Wife F 73 1798 Cheshire
PROBIN, Charles Son widr M 31 1840 Cheshire
PROBIN, Fanny Granddaughter F 8 1863 Cheshire
PROBIN, Annie Granddaughter F 6 1865 Cheshire



1881 census transcription details for: Chester Rd, Saighton
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11
Piece: 3553
Folio: 45
Page: 5
Reg. District: Chester
Sub District: Tattenhall
Parish: Saighton
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Chester Rd, Saighton
County: Cheshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
>.PROBIN, Charles Head Married M 41 1840 Farm Labourer
Edge Malpas, Cheshire
PROBIN, Emma Wife Married F 28 1853 Farm Labourer Wife
Broxton, Cheshire
>>PROBIN, Annie Daughter Single F 16 1865 Farm Labourer Daur
Tushingham, Cheshire
PROBIN, Jane Daughter Single F 5 1876 Scholar
Mollangton Chester, Cheshire
PROBIN, Thomas Son Single M 3 1878
Stone Bridge, Cheshire
PROBIN, John Son Single M 1 1880
Saighton, Cheshire



1891 census transcription details for: 4, Catheralls Buildings, Canal Side, Chester
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12
Piece: 2861
Folio: 123
Page: 22
Reg. District: Chester
Sub District: Chester Castle
Parish: Chester
Enum. District: 5
Ecclesiastical District: St Johns
City/Municipal Borough: Chester
Address: 4, Catheralls Buildings, Canal Side, Chester
County: Cheshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
PROBIN, Charles Head Married M 49 1842 Laborer
Edge Green, Cheshire
PROBIN, Emma Wife Married F 38 1853
Broxton, Cheshire
PROBIN, Thomas Son M 13 1878 Office Boy
Chester, Cheshire
PROBIN, John Son M 11 1880
Saighton, Cheshire
PROBIN, Henry Son M 9 1882
Chester, Cheshire
PROBIN, William Son M 4 1887
Chester, Cheshire

Ladykira, here is a possible death for Mary Richardson.


Parish Record Collection - Burial Record
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Forenames: Mary
Surname: Tushingham
Marital Status:
Burial Date: 30 Apr 1870
Burial Year: 1870
Age: 40y
Residence: St. John the Baptist, Chester
Parish: St. John the Baptist
City or Town: Chester
County: Cheshire
Mother's Forenames:
Mother's Surname:
Burial Place: St John, Chester

***alviegal***

I discounted that one becase Mary Richardson was 23 when she married George in 1868 and that Mary was 40 in 1870

I see you are making good headway now so will leave you to it.

????
Mary Richardson was said to be aged 21 when she married George in 1868 and her father was named as John.

I'm wondering about this Mary who has a father John. There is a birth in the Mar Qtr 1849 in the Great Boughton RD 19-46 of a Mary Richardson and death in the same RD 8A 261 in 1869 of a Mary Tushingham aged 19.

I know it makes the marriage age wrong, but that wouldn't be a first!

Great Boughton was an area to the East of but also part of Chester. Christleton and Barrow are within a couple of miles too.

1861 census transcription details for: Plough Lane, Christleton, County Of Cheshire

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG09
Piece: 2628
Folio: 123
Page: 10
Reg. District: Great Boughton
Sub District: 2 Chester Castle
Parish: Christleton
Enum. District: 25
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough: County of Cheshire
Address: Plough Lane, Christleton, County Of Cheshire
County: Cheshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
RICHARDSON, John Head Married M 40 1821 Farmer Of The AcresBarrow, Cheshire
RICHARDSON, Ann Wife Married F 38 1823 Farmers WifeBarrow, Cheshire
RICHARDSON, James Son Unmarried M 17 1844 Farmers Son Barrow, Cheshire
RICHARDSON, Ann Daughter F 12 1849 Barrow, Cheshire
RICHARDSON, Mary Daughter F 12 1849 Scholar Barrow, Cheshire
RICHARDSON, Martha Daughter F 5 1856 Scholar Barrow, Cheshire
RICHARDSON, Charles Son M 3 1858 Christleton, Cheshire

This looks like the second Mary.

1851 Address: 6, Dock Street, Whitby
JACKSON, William Head Married M 25 1826 Labourer (Wharf)
Fiddington, Cheshire
JACKSON, Ann Wife Married F 23 1828
Overpool, Cheshire
JACKSON, Mary Daughter F 3 1848
Overpool, Cheshire
JACKSON, Samuel Son M 1 1850
Overpool, Cheshire

cf 1881
1881 Address: 28, Walter St, Chester St Oswald
TUSHINGHAM, Geo Head Married M 56 1825 Licensed Victualler
Foulkestapleford, Cheshire
TUSHINGHAM, Mary Wife Married F 34 1847
Overpool, Cheshire
TUSHINGHAM, John R Son Single M 12 1869
Christleton, Cheshire
TUSHINGHAM, Saml Son Single M 4 1877
Chester, Cheshire
TUSHINGHAM, Jos W Son Single M 1 1880
Chester, Cheshire

?? Mary Jackson (?second wife of George) - Whitby, Cheshire (I'm not on the wrong side of the Pennines!)
Father's name William. MAry born overpool as per the 1881 census she is on with George

1851 census transcription details for: 6, Dock Street, Whitby

National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107
Piece: 2173
Folio: 209
Page: 25
Reg. District: Wirral
Sub District: Eastham
Parish: Whitby
Enum. District: 3
Ecclesiastical District: Eastham
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 6, Dock Street, Whitby
County: Cheshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
JACKSON, William Head Married M 25 1826 Labourer (Wharf) Fiddington, Cheshire
JACKSON, Ann Wife Married F 23 1828 Overpool, Cheshire
JACKSON, Mary Daughter F 3 1848 Overpool, Cheshire
JACKSON, Samuel Son M 1 1850 Overpool, Cheshire

EDIT - Snap Lady Kira!!

1871 England Census about Mary Jackson
Name: Mary Jackson
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Overpool, Cheshire, England
Civil Parish: Rowton
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Registration District: Chester
Sub-registration District: Tattenhall
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Household Schedule Number: 7
Piece: 3719
Folio: 78
Page Number: 35
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles J Day 28
Alice Ann Day 23
Mary Jackson 23

??Mary Jackson in 1871. Rowton is just outside of Chester

1871 census transcription details for: Rowton, Rowton

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG10
Piece: 3719
Folio: 78
Page: 35
Reg. District: Chester
Sub District: Tattenhall
Parish: Rowton
Enum. District: 11
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Rowton, Rowton
County: Cheshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
DAY, Charles J Head M 28 1843 Cheshire
DAY, Alice Ann Wife F 23 1848 Cheshire
JACKSON, Mary Servant F 23 1848 Cheshire <<<<<<<<< Overpool on original

? Mary Jacksons birth - Wirral RD covers Overpool

Civil Registration event: Birth

Name: JACKSON, Mary
Registration district: Wirral
County: Cheshire
Year of registration: 1847
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume no: 19
Page no: 358

? Age would fit the 1847 birth of Mary JAckson

Civil Registration event: Death

Name: TUSHINGHAM, Mary
Registration district: Chester
County: Cheshire
Year of registration: 1888
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at death: 41
Volume no: 8A
Page no: 293

Hi LadyKira,

I take it you've looked through the last two census years M'Lady!?

The name Annie is down as George's wife in 1901 and 1911. In 1901 she's described as born in Whitchurch, Salop; and in 1911 as born in Malpas, Cheshire.
There is no hint of a Mary, as his wife, after the death of Mary Richardson, his first wife.
I have already identified the death of his first wife, which was in 1888, born 1847.

You might be right in suggesting that his second wife, Annie, born 1866/7, used this name Annie, but really had the first name Mary, which perhaps she wouldn't use because of George's sensitive feelings about the loss of his first love. So I will look again for any marriage of a Mary to a George Tushingham in or around Cheshire or even Shropshire (Salop).

Thanks for your efforts on my behalf.

Best Wishes,

Horrace :-)

I know it's not sorting the wives out but came across this:

Headline: CITY POLICE COURT.
Publication:Cheshire Observer
Publication date:Saturday 27 April 1889

George Tushingham (along with many other alehouse keepers) was granted a licence to sell beer at the forthcoming races.
(Many similar articles over the years)
......................................................................................................................

Headline: THE ELECTION COMMISSIONS.
Publication:Manchester Courier and Lancashire General Advertiser
Publication date:Tuesday 26 October 1880

In a long article about MPs "treating" the public in order to gain votes, there was a long list of innkeepers and what had been spent. George Tushingham of the New Inn had given a bill for £5 6s 8d being refreshments to that amount having been given to Conservative voters.

(There's also a mention of a John Tushingham of the Cornwall Arms beerhouse).
.....................................................................................................................

Publication:Cheshire Observer
Publication date:Saturday 20 October 1900

A detailed advert for the New Inn being up for sale by public auction along with the adjoining cottage at 27 Church Street. An extract:

"has been in the occupation of Mr. George Tushingham, an under-tenant of Greenall, Whitley and Co., Ltd., for upwards of 25 years. Particulars with any further information may be obtained on application to the Auctioneers ; or to Messrs. WALKER, SMITH & WAY, Solicitors, all of Chester"

MarieCeleste,

That's an appropriate pseudonym Marie; especially considering that in this thread we appear to be 'all at sea, lost, adrift, sans anchor' ! And Annie (whoever she turns out to be!) is the ghost in the machine!!

Ha ha! I like a sense of humour brought into our serious deliberations!

To hell with sorting out the elusive wives of publicans! (especially in our family)
My Mother-in-Law was one of this family: Fridiswid Mary Tushingham, born 1908 in Chester

Horrace ;-)

MarieCeleste,

Now, these other pieces you've posted are quite interesting too! :-D

Sorry Horrace, I should have stated I was going to add some further items.They're all from the British Newspaper Archives.

I've also searched for Marys and Annies with the surname Tushingham but nothing coming up.

My boardname isn't altogether a pseudonym it's a variation of my own name but linked to Marie-Celeste de Villentroy. Contrary to popular belief the mysterious ship was the Mary Celeste, not the Marie (I am such a pedant at times).

LadyKira,

Thanks for your note of yesterday posted at 18-20.

I had already found the death of Mary Tushingham (nee Richardson) in the records:
Died 1888. Born 1847. Death in Chester. Vol 8A Event quarter 1. Page 293
line No 365.

But I'm afraid I can't agree with your opinion that George married two different Marys, unless his second wife was Mary Annie (whatever maiden name she had!) or Mary Ann, perhaps.

I'll try searching Mary as a possibility though.

Your help is greatly appreciated of course.


Horrace :-)