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Janet Report 3 Jul 2013 16:25

I have just recieved the death cert of the man who I suspect is my grandfather's older brother. Birth details, 1901 and 1911 below

CAMPBELL Joseph William (Page) W Ham 4a 141
I have this birth cert

1901 2a, Wycliffe Road, West Ham
County: Essex

CAMPBELL, Colin Head Married M 37 1864 Marine Engineer
Berwick on Tweed, Northumberland
CAMPBELL, Louise Wife Married F 37 1864
Hackney, London
CAMPBELL, Joseph Son Single M 14 1887 Parcel Van Boy
Hackney, London
CAMPBELL, Colin Son Single M 13 1888
North Shields, Northumberland
CAMPBELL, David Son Single M 10 1891
North Shields, Northumberland
CAMPBELL, George Son Single M 6 1895
North Shields, Northumberland

1911 West Ham Union Workhouse, WEST HAM WORKHOUSE

CAMPBELL, Joseph Inmate Single M 24 1887 Formerly Van Guard Essex West Ham

Death Cert says

Joseph Campbell Male 50 years of 3 Wycliffe Road West Ham a Van Man
Registered by Occupier of Central Home Leytonstone

Hypostatic Pneumonia, Spastic paraplegia since birth

has to be the right one I think due to

1) the address link to 1901 census
2) the occupation
3) the fact no one in my family ever mentioned him
4) his mother died in 1904 and all the other brothers went to live with maternal uncle. Father disappeared off back to sea and sent money home

This is the saddest thing I have found so far in my tree I think

if he was on your tree would you be satisfied with this evidence

thanks Jan



Reggie Report 3 Jul 2013 16:39

I'm not sure that a spastic paraplegic would have been able to work - but that is only supposition. I have no first-hand knowledge of the condition

Is there any record on 1911 of a disability?

Based on patient's age at onset[edit]
In the past, HSP also has been classified as type I or type II on the basis of the patient's age at the onset of symptoms, which influences the amount of spasticity versus weakness. Type I is characterized by age onset below 35 years, whereas Type II is characterized by onset over 35 years. In the type I cases, delay in walking is not infrequent and spasticity of the lower limbs is more marked than weakness. In the type II muscle weakness, urinary symptoms and sensory loss are more marked. Furthermore, type II form of HSP usually evolves more rapidly.[10]

You haven't mentioned year of death


brummiejan Report 3 Jul 2013 16:43

Jan, if it were me I would be 100% satisfied - apart from the evidence you have, I can't see another Joseph who fits that death cert.


Janet Report 3 Jul 2013 16:44

No Reggie there is no mention of a disability on the 1911 census, although it does say on the 1901 that he was a parcel van boy and again as formerly a van guard on the 1911



Campbell Joseph 50 Essex S.W 4a 158



Reggie Report 3 Jul 2013 16:49



Janet Report 3 Jul 2013 16:49

I have also downloaded stuff from deceased on line which indicates he is buried in West Ham cemetery

I am pretty sure it's the right man

that's put a right downer on me today !!

have to pop out now but will check back in later




Janet Report 3 Jul 2013 16:50



Reggie Report 3 Jul 2013 16:50

Perhaps someone with Ancestry could look for ER info for him?


Janet Report 3 Jul 2013 16:53

Thansk Reggie for the suggestion

I have Ancestry, I will have a look later for him, I think he may have been in and out of hospital/home frequently


Janet Report 3 Jul 2013 17:28

Just thought don't the electoral registers only cover London?

These areas would still have been considered Essex at the time



GlasgowLass Report 3 Jul 2013 17:42

If I remember correctly, Spastic Paraplegia is now known as Cerebral Palsy.


Janet Report 3 Jul 2013 19:06

I have looked again at the death certificate of Adelaide Louisa Campbell (Joseph's mother) who died in 1904

The column which says Signature,description and residence of informant says

M A Grimwood , present at death, 3 Wycliffe Road, Stratford

Now my dad said that he thought "one of them was adopted" I always thought he meant my grandad as he was shipped off to live with his uncle but I am now thinking that maybe this nice lady (who was still at 3 Wycliffe Road in 1911) actually took Joseph in and may have looked after him as best she could

From the evidence I have, I am happy that it's him



jax Report 3 Jul 2013 19:30

Some parts of Essex including the West Ham area only became part of London for the ER's in the 1960s


Janet Report 3 Jul 2013 19:36

yes Jax, I am with you, I looked but there is nothing from the Stratford area on Ancestry

The bit they lived in is now under the Olympic velodrome !

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 3 Jul 2013 20:52

Deaths Dec 1932 (>99%)
Grimwood Mary A 66 W.Ham 4a 180

GRIMWOOD MARY ANN Burial date 15 Oct 1932 London Borough of Newham Location West Ham Cemetery

(from below link,, also Joseph)

(wonder if her on 1911, age 46)

Chris :)


Janet Report 3 Jul 2013 21:06

This is the Grimwoods at 3 Wycliffe Road

I have the images from deceased on line for Joseph's burial but it doesn't tell me much other than the date of burial

GRIMWOOD, James Head Married M 47 1864 Carman Hitcham Suffolk
GRIMWOOD, Maryann Wife Married24 years F 46 1865 Essex Stratford
GRIMWOOD, Daisy Daughter Single F 23 1888 Machinist Essex Stratford
GRIMWOOD, Nellie Florence Daughter Single F 20 1891 Machinist Essex Stratford
GRIMWOOD, James George Son Single M 18 1893 Vangard Essex Stratford
GRIMWOOD, William Frederick Son Single M 15 1896 Soap Packer Essex Stratford
RG number: RG14
Piece: 9372
Reference: RG14PN9372 RG78PN505 RD188 SD1 ED31 SN499
Registration District: West Ham
Sub District: Stratford
Enumeration District: 31
Parish: West Ham
Address: 3 Wycliff Road Stratford
County: Essex