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Curiosity Report 8 Aug 2013 14:30

Would anyone be kind enough to check my findings please. I have George Fish 1821-1869. His mother is Betty b. abt. 1795 in Hadfield, Woodhouse, Yorkshire, in 1861 census. She is with George here. 1861 census she is with husband Robert. This time it says b. Hadfield, Lancashire, England. There is a marriage for Robert Fish and Elizabeth Moor 28 Sep 1818 in Owston. Lincolnshire. Also a baptism record for Elizabeth Moor 31 Jan 1795, Wrawby, Lincolnshire. I want to be certain before I put it on my tree. Kind Regards, and thank you


LadyKira Report 8 Aug 2013 15:15

I am finding the way you have put this a little confusing.

I have found this
1851 Address: New Street, Sheffield
FISH, Robert Head Married M 56 1795 Potato Dealer
Lincoln, Ferry
FISH, Elizabeth Wife Married F 55 1796
Lincoln, Ferry
FISH, John Son Unmarried M 22 1829 Labourer
Lincoln, Ferry
FISH, Sarah Daughter Unmarried F 18 1833
Lincoln, Ferry

1861 Address: 29, New Street, Sheffield
FISH, Robert Head Married M 43 1818 Potato Merchant
Butterwick, Lincolnshire
FISH, Betty Wife Married F 66 1795
Hadfield, Lincolnshire
WADE, Samuel Son In Law Married M 35 1826 Shoe Maker
Rotherham, Yorkshire
WADE, Sarah A Daughter Married F 29 1832
Guston, Lincolnshire
WADE, Corneluis Grandson M 5 1856
Sheffield, Yorkshire

It is the same family as it is the same address but there is something wrong with Robert's date of birth.
No sign of George with them though.
I presume you are working backwards from George so could you post the info you have on him.


Thelma Report 8 Aug 2013 15:20

George did not die 1869

1871 England Census about George Fish
Name: George Fish
Age: 49
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1822
Relation: Head
Mother's Name: Betty Fish
Gender: Male
Where born: Owston Ferry, Lincolnshire, England
Civil Parish: Brightside Bierlow
Ecclesiastical parish: Pitsmoor
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration District: Sheffield
Sub-registration District: Brightside
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Household Schedule Number: 117
Piece: 4693
Folio: 69
Page Number: 23

Rambling Rose

Rambling Rose Report 8 Aug 2013 15:27

Betty Fish
England and Wales Census, 1871
birth: 1795 Hadfield Woodhouse, Yorkshire
residence: 1871 Brightside Bierlow, Yorkshire (West Riding), England
child: George Fish
other: George Fish, John T Fish, Henry Luff, Mary Luff, Ellen Luff


Reggie Report 8 Aug 2013 15:38

How did you get back to these people?

We can't comment on whether or not they are 'right' without knowing which of them is proven 100% to be your relative


Curiosity Report 8 Aug 2013 15:59

My apologies to you all for the confusion. The censuses you have posted are ones I am using. I made a mistake when writing about the death of George. I should have said he died in 1889, age 69, and I have the cert. Death notified by son Arthur.I have a death cert for Robert Fish,1869,age71, a potato dealer, address Clifton Street., notified by R Fish ( more confusion) and a death fot Betty Fish, widow of Robert Fish, a potato dealer, address Clifton Street. she was age 79, notified by Sarah Ann Lintin ( The Sarah Wade in the 1861 census. ( she remarried) George was baptised 01 Jan 1822, parents Robert and Elizabeth Fish. He had a brother called Robert, and went on to have a son Robert. George married Ellen Winn 11 Oct 1842. I hope you can make sense of this.


Curiosity Report 8 Aug 2013 16:03

I should add, I am descended from George Fish through my maternal grandmother. I have traced George from his son John thomas Fish, my gt. grandfather,whose daughter was Annie Fish.


LadyKira Report 8 Aug 2013 16:58

A good resource for Lincolnshire when you come to look at Robert and Betty


LadyKira Report 8 Aug 2013 17:00

1841 Address: Owston, Owston
FISH, Robert M 45 1796 Lincolnshire
FISH, Elizabeth F 45 1796 Lincolnshire
FISH, James M 15 1826 Lincolnshire
FISH, John M 13 1828 Lincolnshire
FISH, Sarah F 7 1834 Lincolnshire


LadyKira Report 8 Aug 2013 17:03

This George is one of several living in Owston. Love Mum's name.

1841 Address: Ferry, Owston
FISH, Robert M 35 1806 Lincolnshire
FISH, Happy F 35 1806 Lincolnshire
FISH, Jane F 14 1827 Lincolnshire
FISH, George M 10 1831 Lincolnshire
FISH, Joseph M 8 1833 Lincolnshire
FISH, Robert M 7 1834 Lincolnshire
FISH, Sarah F 4 1837 Lincolnshire
FISH, Francis M 1 1840 Lincolnshire


Curiosity Report 8 Aug 2013 17:41

LadyKira, thank you for that, I'll look into it. Cheers


Margee Report 8 Aug 2013 17:58

This is Ancestry's version of that 1861 census:

1861 England Census
about Robert Fish Name: Robert Fish
Age: 63
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1798
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Betty Fish
Gender: Male
Where born: Butterwick, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Sheffield
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: Sheffield
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Registration District: Sheffield
Sub-registration District: Sheffield Park
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 97
Piece: 3491
Folio: 52
Page Number: 16
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Fish 63
Betty Fish 66
Samuel Wade 35
Sarah A Wade 29
Cornelius Wade 5


Curiosity Report 8 Aug 2013 18:13

Thank you Margee, I have to admit I have that Ancestry census. I find searching on Genes a bit difficult.

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 8 Aug 2013 18:27

County Lincolnshire
Place Owston
Church St Martin
RegisterNumber 814
BaptismDate 12 Nov 1826
Forename James Moor
Sex M
FatherForename Robert
MotherForename Elizth
FatherSurname FISH
Abode Owston
FatherOccupation Labourer

(above if fitting anywhere, from below link)

Chris :)


Deaths Jun 1884 (>99%)
Fish James Moore 57 Sheffield 9c 334

FISH, J M Head M 44 1827 Lincolnshire (Labourer at Brick Yard)
FISH, Rachel Wife F 41 1830 Yorkshire
FISH, John Son M 21 1850 Yorkshire
FISH, James Son M 18 1853 Yorkshire
FISH, Maria Daughter F 11 1860 Yorkshire
FISH, George Son M 9 1862 Yorkshire
FISH, Robert Son M 3 1868 Yorkshire
Piece: 4699
Folio: 197
Page: 24
Registration District: Sheffield
Civil Parish: Attercliffe cum Darnall
Municipal Borough: Sheffield
Address: Clifton Street, Attercliffe Cum Darnall, Sheffield
County: Yorkshire

FISH, James Head Married M 25 1826 Laborer
Awston, Lincolnshire
FISH, Rachel Wife Married F 24 1827
Filey, Yorkshire
FISH, Mary Elizabeth Daughter Unmarried F 3 1848
Hunmanby, Yorkshire
FISH, John Thomas Son Unmarried M 0 (9 MOS) 1851
St Nicholas, Yorkshire
Piece: 2355
Folio: 496
Page: 1
Registration District: York
Civil Parish: St Nicholas
Municipal Borough: York
Address: Brick Yard Lane, St Nicholas, York
County: Yorkshire (East riding)

Marriages Sep 1846 (>99%) (perhaps)
Fish James Scarbro' 24 495
Gofton Rachel Scarbro'. 24 495


Curiosity Report 8 Aug 2013 18:39

LadyKira, how do I find that first 1841 census. I've looked on Ancestry but it hasn't come up?

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 8 Aug 2013 18:47

(on Ancestry as Fitts)

Chris :)

Piece: 641
Book/Folio: 19/43
Page: 25
Registration District: Gainsbro
Civil Parish: Owston
Municipal Borough:
Address: Owston, Owston
County: Lincolnshire


Curiosity Report 8 Aug 2013 18:52

Chris, I have found that, thank you very much. My concern is the different place of birth of Betty (Hatfield, or Hadfield) how do I know that she is the same person as Elizabeth who married Robert fish in Owston, and whose children were born in Owston? ( I have seen the records)


LadyKira Report 8 Aug 2013 18:54

I used FMP for that Curiosity.
I entered lived in Owston as the field and Fish as the surname.
Nothing else.
I find the search engine is more versatile.


LadyKira Report 8 Aug 2013 18:57

I think this is George. Rember ages are rounded for 1841

1841Address: Ferry, Owston
FLETCHER, James M 35 1806 Lincolnshire
FLETCHER, Ann F 35 1806 Lincolnshire
FLETCHER, Mary Ann F 12 1829 Lincolnshire
FLETCHER, John M 9 1832 Lincolnshire
FLETCHER, Sarah Jane F 5 1836 Lincolnshire
FISH, George M 25 1816 Lincolnshire


Curiosity Report 8 Aug 2013 19:29

I'm not familiar with FMP ( what does that stand for?) and does it cost to search?
I don't think this is my George as he was bapt. in Owston Jan 1st 1822