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I have in my tree Lewis born 1841, he married Catherine Williams born 1853. They wore both born in SouthWales. They married in 1874 in Chelsea. Their first 2 children were born in Chelsea. The following 9 children were born in Pentyrch, Glamorgan. I am searching for William Jones father of Lewis. I have fathers name from the marriage cert of Lewis. I am not having any success. Can anyone give me any clues? would be much appreciated.

Sorry re the above it is Lewis Jones

Sorry re the above it is Lewis Jones

Lewis Jones
Date of Registration:

Oct-Nov-Dec 1874
Registration district: Chelsea
Inferred County: London
Volume Number: 1a
Page Number: 539


Name
Annie Adams
Frederick Everson
James Brocklehurst Jackson
Lewis Jones
Catherine Williams

Does Lewis have any brothers and sisters!?

Could his parents be london based when he married Catherine williams

Many thanks for above. Names you have listed. Lewis and Catherine were married. Can you tell me where the other 3 names have come from? Have looked for William in Chelsea where Lewis was born but nothing.. Have all the children of Lewis and Catherine. Will now try to find any siblings for Lewis.

Valerie

Kemp posted the marriage registration as shown on ancestry (?) or possibly FMP ............

the other 3 names are nothing to do with you, they are just the other names showing on that particular page of the Index.

The same names show up when using the search engine I use for bmds .......... www.fmp.org.uk

In fact, there is an error on that registration ......... there should be either 4 or 6 names showing ................ ie, an equal number of men and women. That usually means that something has been mis-transcribed at some point.


Ignore those other names.

You say you have the marriage certificate?

What was the address given for Lewis and for Catherine?

What occupation was given for Lewis?

What occupation was given for the father .......... William Jones?

Does the certificate say if William is deceased? Although this is not infallible!


What were the names of the witnesses?? Could any of them have been family members?

For our reference .................... is this your family in 1891???


1891 Census

Name: Louis Jones
[Lewis Jones]
Age: 49
Estimated birth year: abt 1842
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Catherine Jones
Gender: Male
Where born: Celynin, Herefordshire, England

Civil Parish: Penarth
Ecclesiastical parish: Penarth
Town: Penarth
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Registration district: Cardiff
Sub-registration district: Cardiff
ED, institution, or vessel: 52
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4402
Folio: 55
Page Number: 54

Louis Jones 49 Carpenter & Joiner
Catherine Jones 38 b.ca 1853, Pentyrch, Glamorgan
Gureliam A Jones 14 b.ca 1877, Chelsea <<<< Gwilliam
Thomas L Jones 13 b.ca 1878, Chelsea
Evan O Jones 12 b.ca 1879, Pentyrch
Ann E Jones 11
David J Jones 9
Isaac J Jones 8
Talisian G Jones 6
Robert G Jones 5
Frances D Jones 4
Albert S Jones 2
Archibald S Jones 1
Ernest M Jones 7/12

Address:- 1 Ascot Street




NOTE:- I have sent in an Alternate Name Information for Gwilliam

1901 Wales Census

Name: Lewis Jones
Age in 1901: 59
Estimated birth year: abt 1842
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Catherine Jones
Gender: Male
Where born: Belynin, Monmouthshire, Wales <<<<<<<

Civil Parish: Penarth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Augustine
Town: Penarth
County/Island: Glamorgan

1881 Wales Census

Name: Lewis Jones
Age: 39
Estimated birth year: abt 1842
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Catherine Jones
Gender: Male
Where born: Celynin, Monmouth, Wales <<<<<<<<<<<<<

Civil Parish: Llandaff
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Street address: 7 Oxford Terrace
Condition as to marriage: Married

Occupation: Joiner And Carpenter

Registration district: Cardiff
Sub-registration district: Cardiff
ED, institution, or vessel: 25
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 5282
Folio: 29
Page Number: 5

Lewis Jones 39
Catherine Jones 28 b.ca 1853, Pentyrch
Gwelyn Aaron Jones 4
Thomas Lewis Jones 3
Evan Owen Jones 2
Ann Elizabeth Jones 1
Jane Howells 14

Your knowledge of Wales is probably better than mine .......................


form those 3 censuses, it lookes as though he was born in Monmouthsire, in a place called Celynin or possibly Belynin

Is there such a place??????

How about this as a possible for young Lewis with his family ???????????????

1851 Wales Census

Name: Lewis Jones
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1842
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William Jones
Mother's name: Anne Jones
Gender: Male
Where born: Celynin, Merionethshire, Wales <<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Civil Parish or Township: Bodgadfan
County/Island: Merionethshire
Country: Wales
Registration district: Dolgelly
Sub-registration district: Talyllyn
ED, institution, or vessel: 6a
Piece: 2511
Folio: 184
Page Number: 14
Household schedule number: 46

William Jones 52 b.ca 1799, Celynin, Farmer of 9 acres
Anne Jones 47 b.ca 1804, Celynin
David Jones 14 b.ca 1837, Celynin
Elinor Jones 12 b.ca 1839, Celynin
Lewis Jones 9
Edward Jones 7 b.ca 1844, Merionethshire

Address:- Tyntwll (???Tyntwlt)

and I'm making a leap of faith here!


from ancestry ..............



Wales, Select Births and Baptisms, 1541-1907 about Lewis Jones

Name: Lewis Jones
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 3 Jul 1841
Baptism Place: Llangelynin,Merioneth,Wales
Father: William Jones
Mother: Anne
FHL Film Number: 104545

Many thanks for all the info.
The following is from the marriage cert:
married at the Union Chapel, Chelsea. (according to the rights of the Welsh
Independents.
both Lewis Jones and Catherine Williams were born in South Wales but at the time of marriage address for Lewis is given as:4 Arms Terrace, Chelsea
for Catherine Williams given as 46 Markham Terrace, Chelsea.
Father William Jones, Stone Mason
Father Thomas Williams, Builder
Witnessed by George Blinsten and Ann Ajafe
Thomas Williams married Sarah ? Catherine has 10 siblings (all traced)
Lewis Jones was born in Celynn,Monmouthshire
Catherine Williams was born in Pentyrch,Glamorganshire
Have traced all 11 children of Lewis and Catherine - first 2 were born in Chelsea
following 9 were born in Pentyrch

apologies for starting another thread. have been away from this site for a few years and only just getting into it again. will put everything on this thread re Lewis and William. Celynn seems to be listed mainly as Monmouthshire in records, but can't find it on map. I am now stuck and not sure what way to go without the mothers name of Lewis

It has been found as Celynin on some censuses posted, which seems to be linked with Llangelynin?

'ST CELYNIN'S CHURCH, LLANGELYNIN' seems to be the link most commonly quoted.

Two other threads about this family:

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1339620

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1337342

If you had taken note of all the info people have posted for you, you would by now realise that the place in question is CELYNIN