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FERRIMAN. AUSTRALIA

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Eileen

Eileen Report 12 Apr 2014 21:34

I have discovered my grandfather who was born in England but emigrated to Australia as a child with his family, returned to Australia after serving in WW1. CAN ANYONE GIVE ME INFO ON HOW I SEARCH FOR ANY RELATIVES I MAY HAVE IN AUSTRALIA. THANKYOU

patchem

patchem Report 12 Apr 2014 22:28

If you want general advice on searching, most people would google for information.

If you look back on the boards for posts labelled with 'Australia' you may also find some hints.

If you give some names and dates you may get specific help about your relative.

Do you belong to ancestry or FMP or genes, or any other sites?

Have you looked to see if anyone on here has your grandfather in their tree?

Reggie

Reggie Report 12 Apr 2014 22:53

You have in your tree Arthur Ferriman born 1864

...........he is in two other GR trees................. get in touch with the 'owners'

patchem

patchem Report 12 Apr 2014 23:11

Also Leslie Ferriman, 1895, Tottenham in your tree - more likely candidate for grandfather fighting in WW1

(from ancestry, but not really a child, if him)
Leslie Ferriman
Gender: Male
Age: 18 Birth Date: abt 1895
Departure Date: 25 Sep 1913 Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Destination Port: Melbourne, Australia
Ship Name: Irishman
Shipping line: White Star Line Official Number: 110511 Master: T Howell

patchem

patchem Report 12 Apr 2014 23:20

Leslie Arthur Ferriman is showing on ER's on ancestry - trawl through them for other family members.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 12 Apr 2014 23:47

Is this him?


Australia Death Index, 1787-1985 about Leslie Arthur Ferriman
Name: Leslie Arthur Ferriman
Death Place: Heidelberg, Victoria
Age: 77
Father's Name: John Arthur
Mother's name: Helena Salt
Registration Year: 1972
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Number: 19112
Estimated birth year: abt 1895

patchem

patchem Report 13 Apr 2014 00:23

ArgyllGran,

Could you explain to Eileen where you got that death, as she wants to know where to find information?

patchem

patchem Report 13 Apr 2014 00:27

This is from Ancestry:

Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1950 about Leslie Arth Ferryman
Name: Leslie Arth Ferryman
Spouse Name: Maud Alice Sara
Marriage Place: Victoria
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Year: 1915
Registration Number: 7889

Added:
Sara is her surname.

patchem

patchem Report 13 Apr 2014 00:38

He is with Alice M here, year of death above, from ancestry:

Australia, Electoral Rolls, 1903-1980 about Leslie A Ferriman
Name: Leslie A Ferriman
Gender: Male
Electoral Year: 1972
State: Victoria
District: hotham
Subdistrict: Cheltenham East

and also from ancestry;

Australia, Electoral Rolls, 1903-1980 about Alice Maud Ferriman
Name: Alice Maud Ferriman
Gender: Female
Electoral Year: 1980
State: Victoria
District: Batman
Subdistrict: Ivanhoe

He is in public trees on ancestry, so try mundia if you do not have access to ancestry.

Reggie

Reggie Report 13 Apr 2014 10:02

For background INFO....................

First Name LESLIE A
Last Name FERRIMAN
Relationship SON
Condition -
Gender Male
Age 5
Year Of Birth 1896
Occupation -
Birth Town TOTTENHAM
Birth County MIDDLESEX
Birth Place -
Street SOUTHGATE ROAD
Town -
Parish WOOD GREEN
City -
Country ENGLAND
County Middlesex
Vessel Name -
Municipal Ward -
Registration District EDMONTON
Archive Reference RG13
Piece Number 1258
Folio 25
Page 41
Record set 1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Other Household Members
First Name Last Name Relationship Age Year Of Birth Birth Town
ARTHUR I FERRIMAN HEAD 36 1865 ST PANCRAS Image Transcription
LENA FERRIMAN WIFE 31 1870 ST PANCRAS Image Transcription
MARGUERITE FERRIMAN DAUGHTER 9 1892 TOTTENHAM Image Transcription
MARY FENNELL SERVANT 20 1881 TILEHURST Image Transcription
DOROTHY SALT ADOPTED DAUGHTER 20 1881 ST MARYS ISLINGTON Image Transcription
AMBROSE J SALT BOARDER 29 1872 ST MARYS ISLINGTON

Marriages Dec 1888 (>99%)

FERRIMAN Arthur John Islington 1b 368
SALT Helena Islington 1b 368

Reggie

Reggie Report 13 Apr 2014 10:20

Something doesn't add up

There is a thread on FA board, to which I have just added the following info

Births Sep 1918 (>99%)
Ferriman Audrey M Body Devonport 5b 449


Marriages Dec 1917 (>99%)
Body Muriel I Fenniman Devonport 5b 755
Fenniman Leslie A Body Devonport 5b 755
Ferriman Leslie A H Body Devonport 5b 755


http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1076683

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 13 Apr 2014 10:22

Play around with the Victorian BMD index
https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/index-search?action=getHistIdxSearchCriteria

If you order the DC, the names of his children (as known by the informant) will be listed.

Try http://trove.nla.gov.au/ online newspapers for articles to about 1950
http://ryersonindex.net/search.php for death notices after then

(in light of Reggies post as above, perhaps he was a bigamist?)

Reggie

Reggie Report 13 Apr 2014 10:33

It looks as though Muriel found out about Leslie's duplicity

Marriages Sep 1922 (>99%)
BODY Muriel I Peters Wareham 5a 739
Peters Frederick V Body Wareham 5a 739


First Name MURIEL I
Last Name PETERS
Age At Death 56
Year 1952
Event Quarter 2
Year Of Birth 1896
District SALISBURY
County Wiltshire
Country England
Volume 7C
Page 416
Line Number 121

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 13 Apr 2014 10:35

Not sure if this will work. Click on the following link. It will take you to the Australian National archives and his WW1 service records. You can move to the next page from the opening one

http://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/scripts/Imagine.asp?B=3554261

Details of the 1917 marriage to Muriel Irene are on there!

Hang on - that Leslie Arthur says he was born in Brighton, and that his father was Arthur John Ferriman (deceased) a civil servant

Reggie

Reggie Report 13 Apr 2014 10:40

He lied about his birthplace...............but not about his father's name.

I'm puzzled as to how Leslie comes to be Eileen's grandfather, given that she was asking on her other thread for info about Audrey's relations..............and Audrey was the only child of the 'marriage'

We can only hope that she returns.....................

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 13 Apr 2014 10:49

Image 23 of 33 of his service records refers to his bigamy. Its a letter from solicitors writing on Muriel's behalf from Plymouth to the Australian Army. Dated 22 Aug 1919.

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 13 Apr 2014 11:08

Hope this hasn't been added to the other thread!

Trawling through the ER images,

Australia, Electoral Rolls, 1903-1980 about Leslie Arthur Ferriman
Name: Leslie Arthur Ferriman
Gender: Male
Electoral Year: 1949
State: Victoria
District: Wills
Subdistrict: Coburg

30 Balloan St
Aside from Alice, living with them is Iris Marion, a textiler. No indication of relationships, but may be a daughter or daughter-in-law?

That's the only ER she is shown on in the same household

Reggie

Reggie Report 13 Apr 2014 11:11

Addendum

Research shows that Eileen is Audrey's daughter..................

Reggie

Reggie Report 13 Apr 2014 11:14

I posted above the info which I have added to the OLD thread (relating ONLY to Audrey and Muriel)..........no-one else has made a positive contribution to it

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 13 Apr 2014 12:08

Patchem and Eileen -
sorry to be so long in replying to your request at 00:23 - only just logged on today.

The info re Leslie Arthur's death is from Ancestry.co.uk

He's also on electoral rolls from 1924 to 1972, along with Alice Maud.
In 1931 there' s also Leslie Arthur's brother Cyril Francis Ferriman at the same address (5 Higginbotham St., Coburg, Bourke, Victoria) .
Cyril Francis is on many other electoral rolls to 1972.
Also in Coburg, at 70 The Grove, there's Beryl Estelle, George Ernest, and Nellie Ferriman - possibly related? Haven't checked.


Australia Death Index, 1787-1985 about Cyril Francis Ferriman
Name: Cyril Francis Ferriman
Death Place: Neerim, Victoria
Age: 66
Father's Name: John Arthur
Mother's name: Helen Salt
Registration Year: 1972 (interesting he died same year as brother)
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Number: 19158
Estimated birth year: abt 1906



UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960 about Cyril Francis Ferriman
Name: Cyril Francis Ferriman
Gender: Male
Age: 18
Birth Date: abt 1906
Departure Date: 2 Oct 1924
Port of Departure: London, England
Destination Port: Melbourne, Australia
Ship Name: Berrima
Search Ship Database: Search the 'Berrima' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line: Peninsular & Oriental Steam Navigation Co
Official Number: 135332
Master: Captain W P Townshend
(Home address: 41 York Road, Hove, Sussex)
Seems to have been travelling alone.



England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Cyril Francis Ferriman
Name: Cyril Francis Ferriman
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1906
Registration district: Edmonton
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume: 3a
Page: 616



1911 England Census about Cyril Ferriman
Name: Cyril Ferriman
Age in 1911: 5
Estimated birth year: abt 1906
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Winchmore Hill, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Southgate
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address: 11 Haslemere Road, Winchmore Hill N
Registration district: Edmonton
Registration District Number: 132
Sub-registration district: Edmonton
ED, institution, or vessel: 34
Household schedule number: 314
Piece: 7384
Household Members:
Name Age
Helena Ferriman 40
Margaret Ferriman 19
Leslie Ferriman 15
Cyril Ferriman 5
Andrey Ferriman 5/12
Lily Bray Brooker 30 - servant, cook
Daisy Williams 28 - servant, nurse