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Davina Barclay Brodie b 1876 fife scotland

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David

David Report 26 Apr 2014 13:41

Hi
I am looking for help with the family of Davina Barclay Brodie, b Burntisland, Fife, in 1876
Scottish records are not very plentiful on this site.
I have found her in the 1891 census living in Kirkcaldy with her sister Jane and widowed mother Christina.
As she has Barclay in her name I am hoping that her mothers maiden name was possibly Barclay or this was the name of her fathers mother?
In the 1901 census she is married to William Hume Marshall and living in Dysart, Fife
with their children James - my grandfather - and Christina.
Know the 1901 is correct.
Can't find any other records for any of them on genes reunited and freebmd seems to only have records for England and Wales.
Any advice on looking for Scottish relatives would be much appreciated.
Thanks

Jo :-D

+++DetEcTive+++

+++DetEcTive+++ Report 26 Apr 2014 14:01

http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/ for Scottish records including BMD. Although it is a pay to view site you can often get clues from free searches. You could look up her marriage - Scottish M certificates give a great deal more information, such as the mother's maiden name, than English/Welsh ones

Also try https://familysearch.org/ which is free.

David

David Report 26 Apr 2014 14:40

Thank you.
Will see if I can join Scotland's people for a month and search.
Jo

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 26 Apr 2014 15:01

Jo
you dont join Scotlands People its not a subs site

You purchase units on there and use the units to look at transcriptions and certs before c1911 .after that you cant view online but can purchase a cert through them at £10 each

It costs 1 unit to view the transcription and 5 units to see the actual record

think you buy in units of 30 for about £6.95 .not sure of the actual as its some time since I bought BUT its very reasonable

David

David Report 26 Apr 2014 17:09

Thanks. This is getting expensive !
Jo

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 26 Apr 2014 19:12

Genealogy isnt cheap I am afraid , Dread to think how much I have paid out in 12 years looking and buying for info etc

Eringobragh1916

Eringobragh1916 Report 26 Apr 2014 20:42


Jo ...Could this be Davina's sister Jane.....only one coming up with mother Christina (Burntisland).....



Jane Brodie, "Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950"
Name: Jane Brodie
Gender: Female

Birth Date: 17 Mar 1870
Birthplace: BURNTISLAND,FIFE,SCOTLAND

Father's Name: James Brodie
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Christina Davidson

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11411-1
System Origin: Scotland-ODM
GS Film number: 6035516
Reference ID:

Eringobragh1916

Eringobragh1916 Report 26 Apr 2014 20:47

This is the marriage of James and Christina...just in case they prove to be Davina's parents.....

Name: James Brodie
Spouse's Name: Christina Davidson

Event Date: 11 Aug 1869
Event Place: Burntisland,Fife,Scotland
Father's Name:
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name:
Spouse's Mother's Name:

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M11411-1
System Origin: Scotland-ODM
GS Film number: 6035516

alviegal

alviegal Report 26 Apr 2014 22:02

Here is that 1891


1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
First Name DIVINA B
Last Name BRODIE
Relationship DAUGHTER
Condition -
Gender Female
Year Of Birth 1876
Age 15
Occupation LINEN FACTORY WORKER
Birth Town -
Birth County FIFE
Birth Place SCOTLAND
House Name -
Street MARKET STREET
Town -
Parish KIRKCALDY
City -
County Fife
Registration District KIRKCALDY & ABBOTSHALL

CHRISTINA BRODIE HEAD 1836 55
Transcription
JANE BRODIE DAUGHTER 1870 21
Transcription
GEORGE NESS SON 1868 23

alviegal

alviegal Report 26 Apr 2014 22:05


1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
First Name CHRISTINA
Last Name BRODIE
Relationship WIFE
Condition MARRIED
Gender Female
Age 32
Occupation LABOURER WIFE
Year Of Birth 1839
Birth Town NEWPORT
Birth Place SCOTLAND
Birth County FIFE
House Number -
House Name SHORE
Street -
Parish BURNTISLAND
Town BURNTISLAND
City -
County Fife
Country SCOTLAND
Registration District BURNTISLAND
Archive Reference RG10


JAMES BRODIE HEAD 25 1846 CARNBEE
Transcription
ALEXR NESS SON 9 1862 CARNBEE
Transcription
GEORGE NESS SON 3 1868 BT ISLAND
Transcription
JANE NESS DAUGHTER 1 1870 BT ISLAND
Transcription
JOHN NESS SON 5 1866 KILCONQUHAR
Transcription
WM NESS SON 7 1864 KILCONQUHAR




1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
First Name CHRISTINA BRODIE
Last Name NESS
Relationship HEAD
Condition WIDOW
Gender Female
Age 40
Year Of Birth 1841
Occupation -
Birth Town PRATICE LARGO
Birth County FIFESHIRE
Birth Place -
House Number 63
House Name -
Street MARKET STREET
Town KIRKCALDY
Parish KIRKCALDY
County Fife
Country SCOTLAND
Registration District KIRKCALDY

ALEXANDER NESS SON 19 1862 E KELLIE CARNBEE
Transcription
>>DEVINA BARCLAY NESS DAUGHTER 5 1876 BURNTISLAND
Transcription
GEORGE NESS SON 13 1868 BURNTISLAND
Transcription
>>JANE BRODIE NESS DAUGHTER 11 1870 BURNTISLAND
Transcription
JOHN NESS SON 15 1866 EDINBURGH
Transcription
WILLIAM NESS SON 17 1864 EDINBURGH

alviegal

alviegal Report 26 Apr 2014 22:16

???


1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
First Name CHRISTINA
Last Name NESS
Relationship WIFE
Condition MARRIED
Gender Female
Age 23
Year Of Birth 1838
Occupation PLOUGHMAN WIFE
Birth Town MARKINCH
Birth County FIFE
Birth Place SCOTLAND
House Name E KELLIE
Street -
Parish CARNBEE
Town -
City -
Registration District CARNBEE
County Fife
Country SCOTLAND

JOHN NESS HEAD 28 1833 CULTS



spouse: Christina Davidson
Name John Ness
Birth Date
Birthplace
Age
>>Spouse's Name Christina Davidson
Spouse's Birth Date
Spouse's Birthplace
Spouse's Age
Event Date 24 Nov 1860
Event Place Carnbee,Fife,Scotland

alviegal

alviegal Report 26 Apr 2014 22:22

John Ness

Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950

birth: 6 February 1866 KILCONQUHAR,FIFE,SCOTLAND

father: John Ness
mother: Christian Davidson



William Ness

Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950

birth: 30 March 1864 KILCONQUHAR,FIFE,SCOTLAND

father: John Ness
mother: Christian Davidson



George Ness

Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950

birth: 11 December 1867 BURNTISLAND,FIFE,SCOTLAND

father: John Ness
mother: Christian Davidson



Alexander Ness

Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950

birth: 3 March 1862 CARNBEE,FIFE,SCOTLAND

father: John Ness
mother: Christian Davidson


All from familysearch.

David

David Report 26 Apr 2014 23:05

Wow
Thank you all so much.
Just when I thought I had it all nicely worked out all these confusing children appear!!!! :-S
This Christina Davidson, my great great grandmother was quite a girl.
So far she was born C 1838 in Fife.
Married John Ness in 1860.
Then all the children called Ness.
He died in 1868 and she married James Brodie in 1869.
In the 1871 census there are five children all called Ness but Jane was born after john ness's death and I can find her birth registered with the new husband James Brodie as the father.
By 1881 Christina is a widow - don't know when James Brodie died - and her daughter Jane has Brodie Ness as her name and another daughter Devina Barclay Ness has appeared even though she was born after both husbands died!
Someone has found a record for her which shows that she was the illegitimate daughter of Christina Brodie, a widow formerly Davidson and a seaman David Barclay. Both parents were present at the registration of the birth.
So, totally confused as you can imagine!
Guess my great granny was illegitimate and my great granny a player! Incidentally she lived until 1929 dying aged 90 and I have some amazing photographs of her.
Thank you all for taking the time to search and help me out <3
Jo :-D

Kay????

Kay???? Report 26 Apr 2014 23:31

Jo .Christina was not married to James Brodie long as he died in 1871,..... :-0,

David

David Report 27 Apr 2014 00:54

Sadly, Just found his death certificate, married 1869 he died in 1871 aged 25.
Some of the old certificates are very hard to read and cost 5 credits on Scotland's people.
Could do with the transcription rather than the real thing but have not worked out how to do that!
Odd thing is on the death certificate it looks as if it says married to Christina Ness MS Hood and I thought she was MS Davidson and again on the marriage certificate though she is down as Christina Davidson her mother looks as if she is MS Hood
Head spinning.
May see if you can access the records for real in Edinburgh.
Jo :-0

Kay????

Kay???? Report 27 Apr 2014 07:46


Jo ,

You can access all manner of records in person at.

Scotlandpeople Centre.
2,Princes St
Edinburgh.
0131--214 4300.

pre-booking is a must.

costs are---£15 for a days pass.

David

David Report 27 Apr 2014 11:19

Kay
Will certainly do that as I am using up credits in Scotland's people web site and not getting far.
Where did you find the illegitimate birth of Davina Barclay Brodie?
Could not find it online and not sure where to find what you sent me.
Thanks
Jo <3

Eringobragh1916

Eringobragh1916 Report 27 Apr 2014 12:38

Jo This is the John Ness and Christina...(1861 Census)..also ?some family of John....Dont know if it helps ....

1861 Fife : 413 Carnbee
Surname Forenames Age Place of birth Bk Pge Sch
1861 Fife : 413 Carnbee
Ness James 6 FIF Carnbee 2 16 83
Ness James 56 FIF St Monance 3 5 25
Ness Janet 15 FIF Carnbee 3 5 25Ness Catherine 3 FIF Carnbee 2 16 83
Ness Charlotte 53 FIF Pittenweem 3 5 25
Ness Christina 23 FIF Markinch 2 4 20******
Ness Emily 21 FIF Carnbee 3 5 25
Ness Isabella 27 FIF Carnbee 3 7 35
Ness John 28 FIF Cults 2 4 20 *******
Ness Margaret 39 FIF Cupar 2 16 83
Ness Robert 30 FIF Pittenweem 2 16 83

As you can see they have nos at the end ..that is the ref from the Census...I dont have access to check it all out but as you can see both John Ness and Christina Ness have same details