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Eileen

Eileen Report 4 Jun 2014 12:05

Hi, a kind person on Genes re. allowed me to see her tree. I was looking for my Grt. Grt. granddad born about 1800. This nice person thought that he was born at Hamer Nottinghamshire but I can't find a Hamer at all. Has anyone else heard of it please?
John moved to Leicester when he married Kesiah ( spelt different ways ) Clay. I would like to find the parents of John but don't know where to look. He could be anywhere in Nottingham or Leicester?

greyghost

greyghost Report 4 Jun 2014 12:12

Is this the one you refer to/
John Smith 1800 Hamer? Notts ... No Gillian

Do you have gggrandad on any census at all so we can start looking in an approximate area for somewhere spelt something like.......................

greyghost

greyghost Report 4 Jun 2014 12:23

This one - don't think the H in Hamer looks like the H in Henry further down the page on the original, will keep looking
1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
JOHN SMITH HEAD MARRIED Male 51 1800 TURNER & FELLER HAMER, NOTTINGHAMSHIRE
KEZIAH SMITH WIFE MARRIED Female 49 1802 WASHERWOMAN LEICESTER
WILLIAM SMITH SON UNMARRIED Male 18 1833 LABORER LEICESTER
GEORGE SMITH SON UNMARRIED Male 16 1835 SMITH LEICESTER
JOSEPH SMITH SON - Male 13 1838 WINDER LEICESTER
ANN SMITH DAUGHTER - Female 11 1840 FANCY WORK LEICESTER
THOMAS CLAY FATHER-IN-LAW WIDOWER Male 70 1781 FRAME WORK KNITTER LEICESTER

Eileen

Eileen Report 4 Jun 2014 12:45

Hi Gillian, It may have been you that let me view your tree for which I was grateful for. I have a long list of the Clays but it's the Smiths that have got me puzzled, maybe because there are so many of them.
Greyghost, yes that is my family and you have given me some extra names for my tree, thank you for that.

Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 4 Jun 2014 13:00


1841 England Census about John Smith
Name: John Smith
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801
Gender: Male

Civil Parish: St Nicholas
Hundred: Leicester Borough
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

View image

Registration district: Leicester
Sub-registration district: West Leicester
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 605
Book: 14
Folio: 37
Page Number: 5
Household Members:
Name Age
John Smith 40 Occupation Turner.
Kezia Smith 40
James Smith 15
John Smith 13
Elizabeth Smith 11
William Smith 8
George Smith 6
Joseph Smith 3
Hun Smith 1

Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 4 Jun 2014 13:02

????????

Keziah Clay

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

birth: 31 January 1802
christening: 8 February 1802 SAINT MARY DE CASTRO,LEICESTER,LEICESTER,ENGLAND

father: Thos. Clay
mother: Martha

greyghost

greyghost Report 4 Jun 2014 13:08

Gillian hasn't replied to you it was me (greyghost) asking if that was the tree you had looked at on GR whose owner is Gillian. No matter, still can't find a decent comparison for that H

greyghost

greyghost Report 4 Jun 2014 13:22

Believe this to be Kezia in 1861, transcribed as Henry!! The original is not convincing enough for FMP to do a change I don't think but will try.

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
SUSANNAH PAINE WIFE MARRIED Female 29 1832 - LEICESTER
ELIZA PAINE DAUGHTER UNMARRIED Female 5 1856 SCHOLAR LEICESTER
HENRY PAINE SON UNMARRIED Male 3 1858 - LEICESTER
HENRY SMITH HEAD WIDOW Female 60 1801 MANAGER OF HOUSE LEICESTER <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
WILLIAM SMITH SON UNMARRIED Male 28 1833 BRIDGER LEICESTER
JOSEPH SMITH SON UNMARRIED Male 23 1838 GRACE FITTER LEICESTER
ANN SMITH DAUGHTER UNMARRIED Female 21 1840 KINTTER OF FARMLEY WORK LEICESTER
WALTER I MAMA BOARDER UNMARRIED Male 3 1858 SCHOLAR LEICESTER

Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 4 Jun 2014 13:29

Thought I had put that up Greyghost!!

Eileen

Eileen Report 4 Jun 2014 13:38

Yes it was Gillians tree. I know that John's son was also John, born Earl Shilton Leicestershire. he married Elizabeth Jordan and lived Orchard Street in Leicester. I have both Johns as being chimney sweeps but I could be wrong with John born 1800.

greyghost

greyghost Report 4 Jun 2014 14:14

Unless I can't see for looking MFG, then I don't see a 1861 census from you.

Don't know how to do the Emoticons or I'd be ruefully smiling/looking woeful at this point! Am not aiming to duplicate/upset anything/anyone.

Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 4 Jun 2014 14:31

No what I meant is that I thought I had put that up and not that I did. Must have had a senior moment. Probably oh coming out and talking to me and I forgot.

Still looking at this Hamer. The 1841 dos'nt help as it just says that John was not born in the county.

greyghost

greyghost Report 4 Jun 2014 15:18

Have had another look at the H
Whilst the H in Hamer doesn't look like the H in Henry further down the same page or in Henshaw Street where they live, if you go to the next page the top name is Henry and the H has been done with much more of a flourish and I would say does match the H in Hamer.

Now to decide if the "amer" bit says "amer"

Can't see a current place name to fit the bill Notts or Leics and it could be one of those places near to a county border so falls in either. The m could be r n, the e could be l with a squiggle after that could fit several choices of word endings! ETC

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 4 Jun 2014 15:47

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/975121

(possibly the Member Gillian, Keziah Clay mentioned in above)

Chris :)


edits (genuki can be useful for Parishes, not seeing anything Hamer wise!)

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/NTT/parishes.html

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LEI/Parishes.html

KenSE

KenSE Report 7 Jun 2014 09:18

I wonder if it is Heanor. That is in Derbyshire but it was in the Basford registration district which is mostly in Notts..

Admittedly it doesn't fit in well with the image but, bearing in mind the enumerator may not have heard correctly, it is a possibility.

Eileen

Eileen Report 7 Jun 2014 17:09

I did wonder about Heanor but as it is in Derbyshire I wasn't sure. I can't remember where I got my chimney sweep from, possibly Ancestry before they altered it all. I found it so much easier then. I'm sure it was a census when they all lived in Leicester. I have been doing my tree for about 12 years so it is difficult to remember where I have found things.
I have gone a long way back from the Clays but have found it harder to sort the Smiths.