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Dianne Report 6 Jun 2014 01:54

I'm looking for John Holmes who married Caroline? He was a Typefounder or Ironmonger, they had William Henry, Rosa, George and maybe Alfred. They
moved to the States, then NSW Australia about 1845-1851. Any help would
gratefully be appreciated and thank-you! Dianne


jax Report 6 Jun 2014 02:53

Welcome to the boards Dianne

where and when were they born please


Dianne Report 6 Jun 2014 05:25

I think John was from Alton, Staffordshire, but I'm only guessing at this point.
Thank-you for your reply! Dianne


Reggie Report 6 Jun 2014 09:20

Have you tried looking for info?

WHEN was John born?

When - and where - were the children born?


John Report 6 Jun 2014 12:45

May be him, may not be - it's the Rosa Holmes who got my attention, with the combination of the parents' names.

An Ancestry Public Member Tree available for a John HOLMES, b New Hampshire, USA (about 1810), married one Caroline GAGER, (b abt 1821), with a daughter named Rosa (b about 1840, location unknown) and a son, George, born abt 1842, San Francisco, US, deceased 1918, location in New South Wales, Australia.
A typefounder, Holmes may well be working in the burgeoning press industry in the States

Looking like you require access to US records

Contributor seems to be a descendant of 1842 George Holmes.


jax Report 6 Jun 2014 13:28

There are quite a few trees on ancestry although some differ

Here is one

John Holmes
Birth Abt 1807 in Ireland Death 1850 in Sydney NSW Australia

IrelandPossibly Ireland. was a naturalisation paper of John Holmes (b; 1807) from Ireland dated 4/4/1857 in the state of Pennsylvania, US

Marriage to Caroline Gager

Age: 31
She was reportedly dutch or German



Age: 41
ex San Francisco


Age: 43
Sydney NSW Australia

wife and children

Caroline Gager1809 – 1880

Alfred Holmes1838 – 1900

George Holmes1842 – 1918

Rosa Holmes1843 –

Cannot see how he died in 1850 if he was naturalized in 1857???


Dianne Report 6 Jun 2014 16:47

Thanks for your help! Dianne


jax Report 6 Jun 2014 16:57

You have not said if this is the correct John and Caroline...if it is we may be able to find further did you get back to them? are you decended from one of their children?


Dianne Report 6 Jun 2014 18:52

That was not the correct John and Caroline, thanks for your reply. Dianne


jax Report 6 Jun 2014 19:17


I am sorry we cannot help unless you give us some info about them or their children


SylviaInCanada Report 7 Jun 2014 00:36

Dianne ................

we really do need more information if we are to help you.

Remember, we are only members like yourself, using the experience we have gained over the years of researching our own families, and also using various sites that we have learnt about over the years.

BUT ............. we do need help from you!

For example .............................

are you sure that you have the correct children??

I could not find a John and Caroline with those named children

I could find a William Henry with parents John and Caroline, but not with siblings Rosa or George

I could find siblings Rosa and George with parents John and Caroline (different surname) but not a sibling William Henry (or William or Henry)

How did you get back to this family?


Reggie Report 7 Jun 2014 09:16

If you don't answer our questions, which are asked for a reason, how do you imagine we can possibly help you?


patchem Report 7 Jun 2014 13:57

Is this the correct son?

He has been appointed to the Public School Board for Clarence District of Sydney.

New South Wales, Australia, Government Gazettes, 1853-1899
Name: William Henry Holmes
Event Date: 25 Mar 1897
Event Place: Clarence Town
Page Number: 2243


Dianne Report 7 Jun 2014 15:52

Thank-you again for your suggestions, William Henry was born about 1830 in
England and he died in 1867 in NSW. Rosa Holmes was born in April 1841- March
1842 in England or the USA and George Holmes was born on 11 April 1842 or 1845. Caroline Holmes remarried in 1852 to William Fletcher in NSW. Caroline
might have been born in London and can't find a marriage to John Holmes, she
could have been married before. Would the William Henry Holmes, son to John
and Caroline have been born about 1830? There was a John Holmes at arriving in 1849 as a Iron Moulder at New York, USA, plus
Mr and Mrs Holmes and 4 children leaving San Francisco to Australia on the John
Witt vessel in 1849.

Will this help! Dianne


jax Report 7 Jun 2014 16:01

So the details I gave you seem to fit but the dates are slightly out


jax Report 7 Jun 2014 16:22

Did George Holmes marry Margaret wade in 1866....if so John Holmes and Caroline Gager were his parents. (as per the marriage cert)

On the marriage cert for George, fathers occupation was a Typefounder

George died in 1918 father John Holmes Mother Caroline unknown

he was born in San Francisco and was 76 and had been in Australia of 69 years

These marriage and death certs belong to the tree owner of the one I gave you above


jax Report 7 Jun 2014 16:43

This is also from the same tree as I gave above

Death Notice 21 May 1880

edwardsauckland added this on 16 Jan 2014

THE FRIENDS of Mrs. CAROLINE FLETCHER (relict of the late William Fletcher) are invited to attend her Funeral ; to move from the residence of Mrs. Dowling, Hamilton Street, Balmain West, THIS (Friday) AFTERNOON, at half-past 1 o'clock, to Petersham station, thence per funeral train to the Necropolis. W. H. WOOD. Undertaker, Darling-street, Balmain. THE FRIENDS of Mr. GEORGE FLETCHER are respectfully invited to the Funeral of his deceased MOTHER, Mrs. Caroline Fletcher ; to move from the residence of Mrs. Dowling, Hamilton Street, Balmain West.




Marriage to John Holmes

Age: 29
She was reportedly dutch or German



Age: 36
from San Francisco

1 Source?
Marriage to William Fletcher

Age: 43
Sydney NSW Australia#V1852 192 38C

1 Source?

21 May

Age: 71


Dianne Report 7 Jun 2014 17:19

Thank-you again for your help, but Gager couldn't be Caroline's last name
and you have to take what is said with a grain of salt. John did not marry
Caroline in 1838 and the one in 1839 is not them. I've looked at all these
records and there is no proof. If, you have the California records from 1840-1850,
I would appreciate it. Dianne


jax Report 7 Jun 2014 17:30

I am only going by the trees on I said they differ

The marriage certificate which I have looked at for George says his parents names were John Holmes dec'd Typefounder and mother was Caroline maybe George didn't bother to ask his mother what her name was and just made it up???


jax Report 7 Jun 2014 17:45

On Rosa Holmes's marriage cert it says she was born NSW and consent was given by her mother Caroline Fletcher... no mention of her maiden name on that one