Genealogy Chat

My friend was trying to order a marriage cert for her 3 x Gt Grandfather married in Newtonards(which is now part of NI I think) in 1871 using the General Registry Office in Dublin.
There has been a warning when she tried to order that only certicates that had been registered after 1903 can be sent for..
Has anyone got any ideas how this certtficate could be obtained
Thanks in anticipation
Norma

https://geni.nidirect.gov.uk/

"Northern Ireland 1864 to present

You can order certificates from the General Register Office for Northern Ireland.

The General Register Office for Northern Ireland keeps all certificates of births, marriages and deaths in Northern Ireland since 1864, and all certificates of non-Roman Catholic marriages in Northern Ireland since 1845."

Thanks for that will let my friend know
Norma

Norma, I think you can view the information on-line without ordering a certificate, but by buying credits.

I'm not sure how it works- but hold off ordering the certificate for now, as if it's just the information from the certificate she needs, someone may provide other information.

What is the name of her Gt x3 Grandfather?

This is the info for viewing certs in NI:

http://www.nidirect.gov.uk/archive-for-family-and-local-history

Click on Research family history at GRONI then click on Go to GRONI online.

You have to register and buy credits; up to 200; credits cost 40p and 5 paid for a view of an original death entry. You cannot print or download the image. The certs can be ordered on line for £8.

Hi everyone
i have let my friend know about your ideas and have also sent Austin a private message,i gave him a link to a site which I have found an awful lot of info for my friend but unfortunately not for this particular certificate I am sure you have all used it but just in case here is the link
It is Irish Genealogy and as well as Church Records there are also images of some civil records

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/captcha.jsp

Thought it best put the names of who you are interested in on the board as you're likely to get more help.

"The name of my friends 3 x Gt Grandfather is
Arthur Irwin (may shows his middle name of Crawford)
He married Hannah M'Master Munn in 1871 in Newtonards

We think he was a widower when he married her so she would like that confirmed and also his occupation on other records I have found for her he was shown as a Merchant but then became a Farmer according to the 1901 and 1911 Census."
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This is the marriage on NIdirect:

Reg No: M/1871/C1/984/1/67
Name: Arthur Irwin
Partner Name: Hannah Munn
Date of marriage: 12th December 1871
Reg district: Castlereagh

Does answer your question but might be of interest:

Northern Whig - Thursday 03 November 1921

Irwin- November 1 at Granshaw Close, Comber, Hannah the widow of the late Arthur Irwin, Her remains will be removed from her residence to Granshaw Burying ground this day (Thursday) at 2.30pm
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What makes you think that Arthur was previously married?

Hi Austin
He had 2 sons born 1853 and 1859 one moved to Liverpool and the other one ended up in Dublin in the 1901 and 1911 his name was John Crawford Irwin and his father(who I am researching for my friend )also middle name of Crawford was on John's marriage certificate as a Merchant their marriage was in Dublin
He had 3 more sons and 2 daughters to Hannah Munn who was nearly 12 yeers younger than him
Arthur died in 1915 and Hannah in 1921
hope the avove makes sense
Best wishes
Norma

Norma

12-12-1871
CASTLEREAGH CO DOWN

Arthur Irwin

Address BADON

Presbyterian

Farmer Full Age over 21

Widower

Father
John Irwin Farmer

Hannah McMaster Munn

Address Ballyalloly

Full age over 21 Spinster

Father Mathew Munn Farmer

Witness
John Mavis and Susanna Munn

Church Granshaw Presbyterian
By Licence Rev I Vance

I can find no children listed to this marriage.


1860 Lisburn Co Down

Arthur Irwin

Address Budore

Presbyterian

Age 22 Farmer

Father John Irwin Farmer



Ellen Johnston

Address Dundrod

Presbyterian aged 20

Father James Johnston Farmer

Witness James Smyth and Elizabeth Hill

Dundrod Presbyterian Church
By licence W Magill


The Address of Irish Townlands are often misspelt, I can find Ballyalloly but Badon and Budore may be taken down as heard by official.

I can find no births for children you mention born in 1853 and 1859 ?
The census of a John Crawford Irwin in 1901 census of Dublin has him aged 44 born in Co Fermannagh, religion Church of Ireland.

Where are Arthur and Hannah in 1901 and 1911 Census ?

Jan 7th 1915 at his residence Granshaw,Comber

ARTHUR IRWIN

The remains of my beloved husband will be removed tomorrow Saturday 9th at 2pm for Interment in Granshaw Burying Ground

Hannah Irwin

Hi Austin
Fantastic so grateful
Arthur and Hannah are house no 4 Cottotown county down with thier Son Mathew M Irwin in the 1901 Census he is 71
In the 1911 Census he is 81 and in house no 19 Gransha Ballymaglaff Down
with daughters Susanna and Agnes
Sons David and Robert Jas
Will let my friend know the info you sent to me she will be so grateful
Best wishes
Norma

Norma, as Maureen said I'm not seeing the births of the children you mention.

Name Thomas Alexander Irwin
Gender Male
Birth Date 13 Nov 1867
Birthplace Antrim, Ireland
Father's Name Arthur Irwin
Mother's Name Ellen Johnston

Name Rebecca Irvine
Gender Female
Birth Date 01 Feb 1869
Birthplace Antrim, Ireland
Father's Name Arthur Irvine
Mother's Name Ellen Johnston
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You mention John Crawford Irwin- who was his brother that went to Liverpool?

Hi Austin
Arthur Irwin's son who went over to Liverpool was William Henry born 1859 his brother John Crawford Irwin was born 1853 he remained in Ireland but Moved to Dublin which is where I found him on the 1901 and !911 Irish census.
You have been so helpful as has Maureen who has sent me a few private messages with very useful information,my friend cannot believe all the information she now has from a part of the family she once knew very little about.
Thank you
Norma

OK, thanks Norma. I'm presuming you have other information apart from father's names on marriages that link them?

Difficult to know what information you have so I'll leave Maureen to help.

For ref
1901
Name: John Crawford Irwin
Gender: Male
Age: 44
Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation to Head: Head
Residence Date: 31 Mar 1901
Townland/Street: Epworth Terrace N.C.R.
District: Arran Quay
County: Dublin
Household Members:
Name Age
John Crawford Irwin 44
Elizabeth F L Irwin 35
Irene Mary Coristane Irwin 10
Olivie Arthur Crawford Irwin 3
Margaret Scote 56
Lizzie Jordan 32
Anne Eliza Whittle 17

1911

Name: John Crawford Irwin
Gender: Male
Age: 53
Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation to Head: Head
Residence Date: 2 Apr 1911
Townland/Street: Belgrave Terrace, Circular Road, North
District: Arran Quay
County: Dublin
Household Members:
Name Age
John Crawford Irwin 53
Elizebeth Florence S Irwin 44
Irene Mary Constance Irwin 20
Oliver Arthur Crawford Irwin 13
Margaret Scote 67
Annie Boylan 28
Mary Sheridan 22

Hi
Thanks Austin and Mel Fairy Godmother.
Austin there is more information and because my friend has most of it and I only have the bare bones , but fortunately with the Irish Censuses and the fact it is the Irish side that she was wanting to research as she has most of the Liverpool connections which I had started for her last year I just keep referring to the internet for anything I am researching for her-quite good fun really
Thanks
Norma