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Cherchez La Femme or Look to the Lady. More quest

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Unknown

Unknown Report 4 Aug 2006 02:07

see below

Unknown

Unknown Report 4 Aug 2006 02:10

Got this lady in 2 censuses. Cannot find a marriage (husband Thomas is with Mary in 1841, probably a first wife) 1851 HO107/1760 359 p.21 Cambridge St Andrew the Less 9 Albert Street, Thomas Browning abt 1810 Cambridgeshire, Head cordwainer >>>Anturantte Browning abt 1823 Swaversey, Cambridgeshire, Wife laundress Thomas Browning abt 1838 Cambridgeshire, Son scholar Alfred Browning abt 1850 Cambridgeshire, Son James Dalton abt 1781 Cambridgeshire, Lodger cordwainer Mary Moore abt 1840 Cambridgeshire, Servant house servant 1861 Chesterton Cambridgeshire Thomas Browning abt 1808 Cambridgeshire, Head >>>> Antentta Browning abt 1823 Cambridgeshire, Wife Alfred Browning abt 1850 Cambridgeshire, Son Rebecca Browning abt 1852 Cambridgeshire, Daughter Marney Browning abt 1856 Chesterton, Cambridgeshire, Son Sarah Ann Browning abt 1858 Chesterton, Cambridgeshire, Daughter a) what do you think her name really was? I've looked at the census images with no clue. Perhaps Antoinetta? b) where is she from - no baptism or marriage can I find c) where does she go to - can't see her on any other censuses or find a death nell

Peterkinz

Peterkinz Report 4 Aug 2006 02:52

There is a Thomas Browning (W) in the 1881 census born 1807 Thorney Abbey Cambs, living in a Union Workhouse in Yorkshire. I would bet on her name being Antoinette..... having said that - free BMD doesn't appear to be fully transcribed for Browning deaths, but if it is the right Thomas then she must have died - looks like you need to trawl ancestry deaths (but if you do a BMD search for Browning deaths 1861 to 81 in Cambs and Yorks you could list the quarters that HAVEbeen transcribed which would make the search shorter) Then of course she may have died elsewhere..... Peter

Peterkinz

Peterkinz Report 4 Aug 2006 03:13

Alfred Browning Jun Q 1850 Cambridge, Rebecca Browning Mar Q 1853 Cambridge or Marian Elizabeth Browning 1856 St Neots look likely candidates for the purchase of a birth cert...... Peter

Victoria

Victoria Report 4 Aug 2006 09:43

Well, I have tried everything I could think of and had no success with the census' either. I looked at the image and it certainly does say Antauantte. Sounds like two names run together. I have also gone through the 1841 Swaversey (St Andrew the Less) census and think that just maybe she was Ann Tavner (run that together!) Harvey prior to her marriage to Thomas. The only other name I thought it could be was Harriett. I am not familiar with the Cambridge accent but.....? There is a dressmaking Ann Tavner Harvey (21) living with Frances Tavner (45) a laundress and George Harvey 7 months. Only thing is - what happened to George! I also tried the IGI but there is a distinct paucity of records from St Andrew the Less!! Sorry. I really did try and am SUCH a disappointment to myself!! Victoria

Sarah

Sarah Report 4 Aug 2006 10:03

Hi Nell, The way it's been transcribed it sounds like the French prononciation for Antoinette so that would explain no birth or christening.... could they have married (or not perhaps?) in France? and could she have gone home to die? It is all feasible - but possibly too easy? Sarah :-)

Victoria

Victoria Report 4 Aug 2006 10:11

She says, on the census, that she was born in Swavesey, Cambridge. Victoria

Darksecretz

Darksecretz Report 4 Aug 2006 10:34

hiya just a thought, could she have been an ANNETTE?? is only thing that springs to mind, just thinking out loud Julie

Darksecretz

Darksecretz Report 4 Aug 2006 10:35

seen this?? Name: Sarah Annette Browning Birth Date: abt 1820 Year of Registration: 1893 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar Age at death: 73 District: Cambridge (1837-1935) County: Cambridgeshire Volume: 3b Page: 299 (click to see others on page) julie

babs123

babs123 Report 4 Aug 2006 12:59

I'd go for one of the children's birth certs, mother may have registered the birth? wasn't Marie Antoinette was it? Mary first wife? Kat

Christine in Herts

Christine in Herts Report 4 Aug 2006 13:34

Don't know whether any of these would be of any use - from the CambridgeshireBMD site: CAMDEX- Births Index- BROWNING, Alfred (1850) Surname: BROWNING Forename: Alfred Middle Initial: Year of Birth: 1850 Reference: 331/SAL 011/139 District: Cambridge CAMDEX- Births Index- BROWNING, Rebecca (1853) Surname: BROWNING Forename: Rebecca Middle Initial: Year of Birth: 1853 Reference: 331/SAL 013/386 District: Cambridge CAMDEX- Births Index- BROWNING, Henry (1855) Surname: BROWNING Forename: Henry Middle Initial: Year of Birth: 1855 Reference: 331/FUL/10/157 District: Cambridge CAMDEX- Births Index- BROWNING, Sarah (1858) Surname: BROWNING Forename: Sarah Middle Initial: A Year of Birth: 1858 Reference: 331/FUL/11/463 District: Cambridge I noticed that, on the census, the later two have a different PoB specified from the earlier two. Just checked on Genuki, and Fulbourn is in the Chesterton District. By the same token, I guess ''SAL'' means ''St Andrew the Less''. Christine

Christine in Herts

Christine in Herts Report 4 Aug 2006 13:59

I've found one of the 1841 records Victoria mentions... Name: Thomas Broain - ''Shoem.'' (?shoemaker??) Age: 30 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811 Household: View other family members Gender: Male Where born: Cambridgeshire, England Civil parish: St Andrew the Less Hundred: Cambridge Borough HO107; Civil Parish: St Andrew the Less; County: Cambridgeshire; Enumeration District: 11; Page: 9 others in household (ignoring the extras for now) Anty Trundler abt 1821 Cambridgeshire, England Thomas Trundler abt 1839 Cambridgeshire ''Trundler'' is as reasonable a transcription as any. I'd be inclined to transcribe the first name as ''A?ty'', but, again ''Anty'' isn't unreasonable. Christine

Christine in Herts

Christine in Herts Report 4 Aug 2006 14:03

There's this on GRO (Ancestry-FreeBMD): Name: Thomas Trundley Year of Registration: 1839 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun District: Cambridge (1837-1935) County: Cambridgeshire Volume: 14 Page: 6 which goes nicely with: CAMDEX- Births Index- TRUNDLEY, Thomas (1839) Surname: TRUNDLEY Forename: Thomas Middle Initial: Year of Birth: 1839 Reference: 331/SAL 02/156 District: Cambridge Christine

~♥ Daisy ♥~

~♥ Daisy ♥~ Report 4 Aug 2006 21:41

Nell If you'd like me to take a look at Cambridge Records Office just yell. Daisy

Christine in Herts

Christine in Herts Report 4 Aug 2006 21:56

Just realised - Nell hasn't put up any posts since her initial message. That's unusual. I wonder where she's gone. Christine

babs123

babs123 Report 4 Aug 2006 23:55

Now don't be nosey Christine!! :) I don't know, these people who put up a query and disappear!! LOL Katx

Unknown

Unknown Report 5 Aug 2006 08:00

I'm back! Sorry folks, husband hogged the computer all day and most of yesterday night!!!!! Thanks for all the suggestions and findings. I will trawl through them. Daisy, you are a star. It would be great if you could find a likely Swaveley baptism, but I don't have a first name for her and only a rough birthdate of 1823? Could be a long trawl. If I could find the marriage it would help. Not even sure if this is my family! I have a gt gt grandmother called Susanna Browning - got all her details - and her father was called Robert Browning. I am just presuming because Robt and Thos were both shoemakers/cordwainers that there's a connection. Susannah's daughter Emma Moore has a 'T. Browing' [that's what it says not BrowNing] as a witness to her marriage in 1865, which I am thinking could be Thos senior or junior.

Unknown

Unknown Report 5 Aug 2006 08:25

Sue Once again, I am in your debt! Thanks. nell

Unknown

Unknown Report 5 Aug 2006 08:35

To go with the 1893 death, I found this burial on familyhistoryonline . Name Sarah Annetta BROWNING Date 30 Jan 1893 Aged 73 Place Cambridge Description St Andrew the Less Denomination Anglican County code CAM Worth investigating!

Unknown

Unknown Report 5 Aug 2006 08:46

Sue These Brownings are soooo common. But I have got a Thos Browning baptism in Ely Holy Trinity 1812. On the census - Where he is with Antennae or whatever she's called: 1851 he says born 1810 Cambridgeshire (BIG help!) and is a shoemaker. 1861 he says Cambridgeshire (!) 1808 and is a bootmaker. Without Antennae: 1841 - not certain at all this is the same chap, though mindful that they were supposed to round ages down, I have a Thomas with wife Mary in Ely. Birthyear 1806 - but he is working as an ag lab. However 1841 census has him with son Thomas who is the right age to be the chap with him in 1851 1871 Thos is listed as married, no sign of wife, lodging in Ely bd 1805 and is ag lab. I am now double checking as 1871 and 1841 match Thos senior; 1841 and 1851 match Thos junior and 1851 and 1861 are the ones with Antennae or whatever she was called! nell