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Cherchez La Femme or Look to the Lady. More quest

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Unknown

Unknown Report 5 Aug 2006 08:56

Sue The 1827 marriage details from familyhistoryonline: Married 3 Nov 1827 Groom Thomas BROWNING aged – condition bac occupation – residence of Littleport Bride Mary HAYLOCK aged – condition sp occupation – residence otp Licence? by lic Groom father – – occupation – Bride father – – occupation – Witnesses Richard BROWNING, Mary KIDD, – –, – – Notes – Parish Ely, Holy Trinity , CAM nell

Unknown

Unknown Report 5 Aug 2006 09:14

The reason I got on to Anty & Thos in the first place is that in 1851 they have a servant called Mary Moore living with them. I think that this Mary is possibly related as she is Emma's elder sister and a daughter of Wm Moore & wife Susannah (nee Browning). But its only a hunch. Just thought I'd try looking for the children from 1861 in 1871 and I can't find one of them! Why do we do this?????? nell

Unknown

Unknown Report 5 Aug 2006 09:32

I think Antennae is right, i think this lot just were beamed down from 1851-1861. No trace of the children (how can you lose someone like Marney!) on Ancestry bmd or censuses after 1861 or on familyhistoryonline which has a good lot of Cambs marriages and burials. nell

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 5 Aug 2006 11:09

Mornin' Nell, how about 1871, Antonnette Brenning, Cambridge, living in Clapham... Chris:) (who should be at Kew, but has 'funny tum'!)

Unknown

Unknown Report 5 Aug 2006 11:12

Chris Sorry you aren't at Kew, but glad you found this - off to check now. Thanx! Hope you feel better soon. nell

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 5 Aug 2006 11:16

Thanks Nell! :)) it was the Surrey, under Cambridge which caught me eye, thought they meant Swavesey! :)) Chris :)

Unknown

Unknown Report 5 Aug 2006 11:16

Chris You are a genius! That's them! Thomas is a bootmaker and son Alfred is there too. Well done!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I owe you! nell

Unknown

Unknown Report 5 Aug 2006 11:20

Chris Another clincher is that Antoinette is working as laundress in 1861 and 1871. nell

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 5 Aug 2006 11:25

Yes Nell, Albert St, Ferry Path, not far from me here, right near the river! :) who's missing now?... (will nosey in, between loo breaks!) :)) Chris :)

Christine in Herts

Christine in Herts Report 5 Aug 2006 11:30

I found that 1893 death on the Cambridge BMD site as well: CAMDEX- Deaths Index- Cambridgeshire Deaths Index Search Surname: BROWNING Forename: Sarah Middle Initial: A Year of Death: 1893 Age: 73 Reference: 331/SAL/36/147 District: Cambridge Christine

Christine in Herts

Christine in Herts Report 5 Aug 2006 11:34

Nell looking at your summary posting - that 1841 record with son Thomas aged 2, is the one I posted yesteday: 04/08/2006 13:59:07 He has Anty with him by then as well, and Thomas has her surname - and he appears to be a shoemaker. Christine

Unknown

Unknown Report 5 Aug 2006 11:36

Think the 1893 death may be another person as now convinced my girl is Antoinette and she appears to have moved to Surrey. Talk about a small world - just found Alfred Browning in 1881 with his wife and they are living in Smedley Street, Clapham. So? Well, the Browning lot are connected to my grannie Annie Eliza Matthews. Annie's husband (my grandfather Jeuel) had an elder brother Sam who was stationed as a policeman at Smedley St Police Station in 1891! nell

Christine in Herts

Christine in Herts Report 5 Aug 2006 11:38

I thought Marney was a nickname for (or enumerator's mistranscription of) Henry, judging by place and date of birth - see the CamDex records I found. Christine

Christine in Herts

Christine in Herts Report 5 Aug 2006 11:41

See what you mean about the place of death for the 1893 one - and it's much too old to be the daughter, b 1858. Christine

Unknown

Unknown Report 5 Aug 2006 11:43

Christine The 1871 entry has a son called Harry, so you are probably right, thanks. nell

Christine in Herts

Christine in Herts Report 5 Aug 2006 11:47

Hevn'e joined up the gaps, but does this death record have any bearing? Name: Sarah Browning Birth Date: abt 1823 Year of Registration: 1892 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec Age at death: 69 District: Wandsworth County: London, Surrey Volume: 1d Page: 349 Christine

Christine in Herts

Christine in Herts Report 5 Aug 2006 11:57

This looks like son Alfred in 1881: Name: Alfred Browning (railway stoker) Age: 31 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850 Relation: Head Spouses's Name: Elizabeth Gender: Male Where Born: Cambridgeshire, England Civil parish: Clapham County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 26 Smedley Street Condition as to marriage: Married RG11; Piece: 633; Folio: 122; Page: 28 Household Members: Name Age Alfred Browning 31 Elizabeth Browning 27 (laundress) Joseph Dunning 62 (lodger - pork butcher) Chas.Henry Lawler 31 (not same household) Christine

Unknown

Unknown Report 5 Aug 2006 12:01

Christine Don't know who she is, but Browning is a commonish name. Will note details against future research. Thanks. I've just re-read your previous posting abt 1841 and now I am very puzzled. I'd forgotten about the Trundlers. What I have is 1841 - possibly Blucher [?] Row, St Andrew the Less Cambridgeshire [all born in county] William Flack 25 abt 1816 labourer Matilda Flack 23 abt 1818 Henry Palmer 2 abt 1839 Thomas Broain 30 [image looks like Brirarin] abt 1811 shoem. Anty Trundler 20 abt 1821 Thomas Trundler 2 abt 1839 Bearing in mind that Anturante etc gives Swavesey as birthplace in later censuses, I also have a James Trundler b Swavesey on 1881 census, possible connection. BUT regarding Thomas Trundler age 2 I also have 1841 Market Street, Ely Trinity Cambridgeshire - all born in county Thomas Browning 35 abt 1806 ag lab Mary Browning 30 abt 1811 Sarah Browning 11 abt 1830 Elizabeth Browning 8 abt 1833 Margaret Browning 6 abt 1835 Thomas Browning 4 abt 1837 Now this Thomas has a son the same kind of age, but as I have found a Thomas Browning b. around the same time as a labourer on later censuses, and the Thomas Br whatever on 1841 with Anty is a shoemaker, which fits in with his later censuses, I think you are right, and he and Anty had Thomas Tranter then married and then Thomas became Thomas Browning. So the Mary marriage isn't anything to do with it. Your thoughts would be appreciated! nell ps why couldn't these enumerators write in block capitals in black ink?!

Christine in Herts

Christine in Herts Report 5 Aug 2006 12:09

I reckon the enumerators were very inconsiderate, too! The surname which starts TRUNDLE... seems to end with R or Y in different places - hence my picking up some of that CamDex stuff in both names/versions (see this post - 04/08/2006 14:03:55). I'm inclined to suspect that Thomas, labourer, is different from Thomas, shoe/bootmaker, because of the different skill levels involved - unless he was leading a double life, of course! The ag lab also appears to have been born quite a bit earlier - not an absolute impediment, by any means, but discouraging in the identification stakes. Christine

Unknown

Unknown Report 5 Aug 2006 12:20

Christine Thanks for confirming my suspicions re 2 Thomases. Gosh, either you can't find anyone or you can find two possibles! Off now to trundle through your Trundley postings! nell