Genealogy Chat

Greetings again Mike. Yes, the death of the INF Joseph resolves problem 1. Thank you. I cannot be 100% sure that Thomas TOM(P)KINS was Leicester or Leics born but I am sure that the date c1810 is correct. The TOM(P)KINS clan moved from the Kettering (Northants) area sometime around 1800. FAO Kate in OZ. Good to see your comment Kate, we must both be 'oldies' as I also remember kipping down on camp stretchers in my early school days. It is often little comments that Mike unwittingly makes regarding Leicester locations that are very nostalgic to 'ex pats', long may it continue. Mike has such a vast knowledge of Leicester and connected Genealogy, what he does not have he will endeavour to find. Regards John

Hi Mike and sorry about this John,,,, Just couln't help myself. St Georges Church,,,Ahhhh,,,many memories of a 5 year old attending St Georges infant school and having a nap in the churchyard on camp stretchers in the warmer weather,, Good luck with the research John Kate,, Waving to Mike as she flys by,,,

Greeting's Again John..... Try this for size ?.......... St. George's Parish Church.Burials :- TOMKINS JOSEPH 08 MAY 1836 INF Remember records didn't start till 1837. So it would only show up via Parish Burial registers. This explains naming the second son Joseph in 1837. I'll have to do a bit of fretting for the second part of your question re Thomas c 1810..... Father of Joseph ... Do you know if he was born (1910 )in Leicester or Leicestershire ? MIKE.

Mike On the ball as always. Will now accept that the mother of Joseph was Ann STEVENS. The obvious question now is why two sons within two years both called Joseph ?, I can see no death record for the first born. 2. Josephs father was Thomas TOMKINS b C1810, do you have any parential details for him please ?. Many thanks Mike Jon

Greeting’s Again John …. Records online for St. Margaret’s only goes up to 1835….Sugarlumps !!!!! But how about these ? JOSEPH STEVENS TOMKINS Male Event(s): Birth: Christening: 26 AUG 1835 Saint George, Leicester, Leicester, England Parents: Father: THOMAS TOMKINS Mother: ANN ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JOSEPH TOMKINS Male Event(s): Birth: Christening: 19 APR 1837 Saint George, Leicester, Leicester, England Parents: Father: THOMAS TOMKINS Mother: ANN MIKE.

Mike Greetings again from Kent. If you hold BT's for 1837 births (probably St Margarets) could you let me have the Mother of Joseph TOM(P)KINS, I am hoping it shows either Ann STEVENS or Ann RENNIE. Hope for better luck on this one, it is the same Joseph we could not find a marriage date for !!!. Regards Jon

Mike At least it wasn't my poor eyesight then!!! I can't think where else they might have married that makes any kind of sense - sorry I'm not more help. Thanks for Emily's baptism - another little nugget! Jan

*** F.A.O.***...... Jan Moore... Checked out ALL churches for Whitwick St. Johns, Andrew's, & St. Georges for Marriage Joseph & Emily But drew a blank....Sorry.... Only another 29 Parishes to go.... for Ashby De La Zouch District .....:o/ Also checked out Coalville ( Christ Church ) Thringstone & Stoney Stanton just in case.... Talking of Stoney Stanton ..... Confirmation of Baptism & Birth .. Page. 18. Entry No. 138. 18th. December. 1906. born 26th. Oct 1906. Emily Dau of Samuel & Mary Elizabeth Burrows. Plate layer. By me :- A.W. Disney. Rector. Will have to carry on trawling for Marriage will update you soon..... MIKE.

Nudged for Brenda.

Hi Mike William and Eliza could be children of James and Caroline - I've got their birth dates as 'about' 1869 and 1875 respectively. Samuel Henry - his birth date (from family Bible) was 21 Mar 1897 - which doesn't match and in the Bible he's just plain Samuel; some of other children have middle names given eg George Henry and Sydney Francis. Appreciate your 'digging' on my behalf! Jan

Greeting’s Again Jan…. Below are the only BURROWS Burials found for Stoney Stanton 1813. ~ 1891.. Names. / Dates. / Ages. / Notes. Burrows William Thomas 7 May 1867 Inf Burrows Eliza Ann 16 Sept 1874 3 Burrows Samuel Henry 28 Aug 1890 1Mth So Samuel Henry could well be one of those three You mentioned between Charles & Sidney…… Time permitting I'll have a look this Thursday whist I'm at Records Office..... MIKE.

Hi Mike MOORE Joseph's birth is a possibility but there were so many Joseph's born to Joseph's.....! BURROWS Yes that is definitely Emily's family - although between Charles and Sidney there were another three children who presumably died. James and Caroline ne Taylor are definitely Samuel's parents, and William is likely to be their son (right age). Thomas at 33 is about ten years too old according to my information. I didn't spot Thomas and william when I had access to 1901 so thanks for that! I was pointed in the right direction on the IGI and managed to find baptisms for Caroline's siblings and even the marriage of her grandparents John Taylor and Ann Osborn! Cheer s mike - grateful for anything else you can unearth!

Greeting's Again Bev. No. 2....... If you click on my name and send me a private message including your e-mail address. I can send you a map of Oxford street 1888. as an attachment, Did you know the council has spent loads of £'s on Welford Road had a good clean up headstones put back and paths made good. MIKE. UPDATED Scan winging it's way to as I type ....

Mike you are marvellous. I think that is Janes father., my gggrandfather. I have the gro reference but have yet to send for the certificate. In 1881 he was lodging in Gas Street, St Margarets. He must have moved back to be nearer to Jane on Oxford Street before he died. I will certainly be taking a trip to Welford Road as soon as I can to see if there is anything there. Last time I was there some of the graves were in a bit of a state but its worth a look. The only other relatives that I know are definately buried there are more recent and died in the 1930's and 40's. I tried that website but it says it is now defunct due to an influx of people requesting old maps!! I will have a hunt sometime. Thanks again Bev

Greeting's Again Bev. No. 2........ Maps of the Area ? Have you tried this site on line :- old-maps * (co) * uk replace * with a dot & delete spaces. and remove brackets Visitors centre Welford Road It only opened last Friday 16.06.06. Restricted opening times Friday through to Sunday ONLY. 10.00 AM ~ 4.00 pm. I have all records and plot No's for burials 1849. 1891. on disk if you post details then I can give you all details Names. Dates of burial. Ages. last known address & Parish. plus plot details so no need to ask at Centre go straight to plot .... E.G. :- Welford Road Cemetery. Names. / Dates./ Ages./ Last Known address./ Parish.:- CARTER GEORGE 21 JUN 1890 74 OXFORD STREET SAINT MARY U S 461 C 66107 U. = Unconsecrated Ground. S. = Section. 461. = Plot No. C. = Common Plot. 66107. = Burial No. MIKE.

Mike Joseph Collins was indeed John's father as confirmed on his and Janes marriage certifcate. Although Jane had a brother Thomas, he was born in 1854, and the green grocer at 37 Oxford Street was born in 1842 and was from Stoke Golding, so I don't think they are related. I do feel more confident now that the Jane I have been researching is the right one, so thanks very much for looking up the trade directories. Do you have maps of the area at that time? Or do you know where they would be available from? Incidentally, have you been to the new visitors centre at Welford Rd Cemetery? Just wondered if it was worth a visit. I know I have some relatives buried there, but I think you have to know the exact date of death, and not just the qtr. So I'm going to have to spend some more money on certs first! Thanks again for you help Mike Bev

Greeting’s Again Bev. No. 2. The net tightens.......just a bit ?….. Trade Directories…… 1876. OXFORD STREET. No. 37. Thomas CARTER. Green Grocer. No. 81. ( Which was close to the Courts ) JOSEPH COLLINS. COAL DEALER. & what was Jane’s Occupation in 1871 ~ Coal Dealer ….Ummmm ? 1874. OXFORD STREET. No. 37. Thomas Carter Green Grocer. 1883.~84. OXFORD STREET. No. 37. Thomas Carter. Green Grocer. No. 24. Lower Hastings Street. Jonathan Beaumont Collins. Builder & Bricklayer. No. Rawson Street. Thomas Collins. Bricklayer.& Builder. Both above address a stones throw away from Oxford Street. Did George Carter work for the above & was one of these John Collins Father Or was it Joseph the Coal Dealer ? ….Ummm 1891. OXFORD STREET. No. 57. JOHN COLLINS. Broker. 1891. Census Return ( Which you will have seen before I’m sure. ) RG 12. / 2537. / 89. / Page. 12. St. Mary’s Parish. 57. Oxford Street. John Collins. Head. Mar. 49. Shoe Riveter. Jane Wife. 39. Broker. Geo. Carter. Son. 19. Shoe Riveter. Harriett Dau. 11. Scholar. Hannah. Dau. 8. Ditto. ALL Born St. Mary’s Parish. MIKE. ………Time to blow out the candle me thinks ……

Hi Mike and Mary Thanks for your thoughts, and yes I did a typo with Harriets year of birth. 1850 was Jane's birth. Like you I realise that Jane's children were illegitimate, and that the 'widow' declaration was a bit of a porky! I hadn't thought about looking away from the parish, but having just done a search on both names for the relevant years, there appears to be many possibilities, but without sending for loads of certificates I'm not sure how I would find out. I had noticed the Jane Carter that you found on the 1871 census, but dismissed her in favour of one aged 19 who was living on her own in the court houses on Oxford Street, although her status says married. I assumed this to be the first 'cover up', and also she was living in the court houses in the 1881, although not the same one. Another reason that appeared to confirm this Jane to me, was that her subsequent marriage in 1882 names her father as George Carter, Brickmaker, and in the 1871 census there he is living in one of the court houses in Oxford Street! So I assumed, rightly or wrongly, that Jane left home to live round the corner. Does that make sense? I think I have to accept that I have gone as far as I can with the hunt for George Jnr and Harriets father(s). Many thanks for all your help. Bev

Greeting's Again Jan..... Could this be Joseph's Birth via the GRO. ? April.May. June. Qrt. 1903. JOSEPH MOORE. Ashby De La Zouch District. ( Covers Whitwick ) Cert. No. 7 a. 100. I see from the 1901 Census returns for Stony Stanton There is a Samuel Burrows. RG 13. / 2690. / 95. / Page. 19. Stoney Stanton. Hinckley Road Samuel Burrows. Head. Mar. 34. Railway Plate layer. b Stoney Stanton. Mary. E.. Wife. 30. b Bardon on the Hill Leicestershire. Ethel. M. Dau. 8. b Stoney Stanton. Annie. Dau. 7. b Ditto. Charles. E. Son. 5. b Ditto. Sidney. F. 3 Months Old. b Ditto. Other Burrows families spotted .... James ( 62) Born Ashby Magna & Caroline. ( 53. ) b Stanton. (Could these be the Parents of Samuel ? ) Thomas ( 33) & Ruth (23.) William ( 31) & Elizabeth ( 31) All the men working has Quarrymen and born in Stoney Stanton. I'll see what else I can come up with in the next few days MIKE.

Looks like I'll be checking even if I have looked at it before! Of course if I knew where Emily was living.... and which grandma she was with....it might help! Thanks for the suggestion, Mike - I'll let you know if I find them but I guess it will have to wait for the holidays now... Jan