Genealogy Chat

Thankyou mike, where do you get the info from do you have a disc of buriels for certain areas? Sue

Greeting's Again Sue.... Sorry just got in from my Scout Camp Warden Duties.... There you Go..... Countesthorpe Burials Names. / Dates. / Ages. / Notes.:- NORTH * MARY * 5 MAY 1814 61 WIFE OF STEPHEN NORTH WILLIAM STEPHENS 13 JUN 1831 12 NORTH * STEPHEN * 10 FEB 1840 85 NORTH THOMAS 25 JAN 1857 63 NORTH MARY 24 JUN 1878 85 NORTH ZILLAH 10 SEP 1884 44 NORTH THOMAS 16 JUN 1894 74 MIKE. xx .

Are you about Mike,?

Evening Mike, Do you have the following deaths please for Countesthorpe Steven North died Countesthorpe after 1795 and his wife Mary North died Countesthorpe after 1795. Many thanks Sue.......

Sorry i didnt see Jaynes message but she as been in touch with me and we are connected and i am going to send her info but if there are any other Witterings please get in touch Bev

Nudged for Jayne, who'd like to contact any Witterings from the Leicester area.

Hi Mike and Mary, James and Thomas Screaton were my 3rd cousins (6 times removed). I don't think that they were twins. Thomas' year of birth is shown as 1813 on the 1861 census, he died in 1874 but I haven't looked for him yet in the other census. Looks like a 'bulk' baptism. Also his siblings were all born 2 years apart ie 1802, 1804, 1806, 1808, 1810, then Thomas 1813 and James 1815. Regards Paul

That's interesting about the baptisms - I was surprised to find a 1-day old child christened in an Independent Church in Whitby today.

Greeting’s Again Mary….. You ask = “ Would a baptist minister or CofE vicar agree to baptise an illegitimate child, though? “ Not sure about the Baptist Minster…. I mean if they can’t allow you to hear the Banns !!!!….. But C o E. Do I’ve seen it loads of times on the Parish Registers…… Just thought James & Thomas might be twins ? The Curate has put some dates of births for others on other pages …. You want to see the Registers for Rothley !!!….. Baptizing them at any age.... Best up to now a 22 year old Man….. The Curate must have been on a recruitment drive ….lol :o))) MIKE.xx The search continues…….. Will have to see if there is any Baptist Records held at Wigston next time

Hi Mike, Sorry you'd didn't manage to find the William Screaton birth in Rothley - what a saga this is turning into! I would have expected the christening to be in Rothley, probably at the Baptist Church, where both William Senior and Mary were baptised. Mary was born in Rothley, and was always living there at census times. Would a baptist minister or CofE vicar agree to baptise an illegitimate child, though? Thanks for James Screaton's birth - that was already on Paul Webber's tree (he has a huge tree full of Screatons). I wouldn't think he was necessarily a twin - I have other families where 3/4 children born in different years have all been christened on the same day. Thanks for the explanation of the Superintendent Registrar’s Certificate.

*** F.A.O. *** Karen. MARRIAGE. Fiche DE 165 / 9. Second Envelope of Two. All Saints Parish Church. Narborough. Page. No. 2. Entry. No. 4. John McJANNET. Bachelor of this Parish. Mary HUTCHINS. Spinster of this Parish. Married in this Church following Banns. By me :- Wm. Parrs. Rector of Narborough. This Tenth Day of Nov. In the year of our Lord. One Thousand Eight Hundred and One. Both signed by their own Signatures. Wit’s :- Thomas Bingley. Mary Hubbard. MARRIAGE. Fiche No. DE 1653. / 10. Envelope No.1 of Two. All Saints Church. Narborough. Page. 34. Entry. No. 100. Thomas McJANNET. Bachelor of this Parish. Jane. BOTTERIL. Spinster of this Parish. Married in this Church following Banns. By me James. B. Eason. Curate. This Tenth Day of May. In the year of our Lord. One Thousand Eight Hundred and Twenty Six. Thomas signed by his own Signature. Jane by her own Mark = X Wit’s :- Thomas Botteril. By his Mark. = + Sarah Manns. I did search the Parish Registers ( 1765. 1836.) for any sign of any other McJannet’s events But drew a Blank other than the two Marriages above…….Sorry. Better for other Events though Baptisms. :- 27th. Jan. 1805. Jane Dau. Of Edward & Elizabeth Botteril. Lab. Narborough. 12th. April. 1792. Mary. Dau. Of John & Elizabeth Hutchins. Narborough. May. ( ? ? Does off the Page )…..1792. Thomas Son Of Thomas & Elizabeth Botteril. 25th. April. 1802. Thomas Son Of Edward & Elizabeth Botteril. The Baptism Registers of years 1800. ~ 1805. Were spread all over several pages and just occupied the bottom of the pages A right nightmare so unable to find Ann's Baptism…. Just wonder if the McJannet Family came from another village close by ? MIKE.xx *** F.A.O.*** Mary from Italy. I’m still Looking for the Baptism of William Screaton. April Qrt. 1854. Cert No, 7 a. 155. Barrow District. I also kept an eye out for any Norths... We can Eliminate the parishes of Rothley. ( Unless it was a Baptist Church event but need to explore that one. ) Mountsorrel South ( Christ Church also St. Peter’s Church ) Gaddesby. ( James Screaton came from there) Talking of Gaddesby …. Found these Baptisms of Interest :- Fiche No. DE 751. / 4. Envelope 2. of 4. St. Luke’s Church. Gaddesby. 1815. Page. 3. Entry. No. 23. Dec. 10th. Thomas. Son of John & Hannah Screaton. Gadsby Farmer. Entry. No.24. Dec, 10th. JAMES. Son of John & Hannah Screaton. Gadsby. Farmer. Edward. Morgan. Curate. So was James a TWIN ?.....Ummmmm…..:o/ Oh....... I did ask the Head of Archives at Wigston For an explanation on = “ Conducted under Superintendent Registrar’s Certificate..” Which appeared on the Marriage Entry for 1858. William Wood North ~ Mary Screaton. Apparently in those days a member of the Baptist Church Could not sit in to hear the Banns being read in a C o E Church….. So had to get a Registrar to sit in on their behalf. This certificate of Authorization was then presented to the Minster conducting the Service. MIKE.xx

Hi Mary from Italy, I've also got Norths connected to the family, but from Lockington in 18th C and Breedon on the Hill, 19th C, they didn't have much imagination when it came to christian names either, Regards, Ralph

Hi Mike, Many thanks for the info, they look like the children of my 2xGGF's eldest son John, who married a Mary Tunperley (Tenperley) around 1836. Janes disappearance is really odd, on the 1851, Thomas states he is M, but I think on 1861 he is a Widower (enumerators mark goes through entry so difficult to read). Thomas was demobbed late 1817 from the army, a friend checked the GRO Indexes of Chaplains returns and found no Pym listed, I have checked his regiments movements during napoleonic wars, and after, he was stationed in Ireland before Malta, so Jane could be Irish and not British/Maltese, but I would have thought they would appear in the indexes. What do you think? Its driving me mad !! Regards, Ralph

Hi Mike, The Overseas branch is awake now. Thanks for those marriages. The Grudgings only came into my tree in 1828 with the marriage of Daniel Grudgings and Mary Upton. The Uptons however are a direct line. The earliest info i have so far is my 6x great grandfather, John Upton, whose burial, at age 102, you found earlier (at least I think it's him) Paul

Nudging........ For our Overseas Branch......

Greeting's Again Karen..... Going on your last details posted I think this is the Marriage of John & Mary. :- John McJannet. ~ Mary Hutchings. All Saints Parish Church. Narborough. 1801. By Banns. Also Thomas McJannett. ~ Jane Botteril. All Saints. Narborough. 1826. By Banns. Which could tie in with this Census return 1841. HO 107/ 602. / Book 12. / Folder.19./ Page. 4. ( Key word Jannett ) Narborough. Alburn Place. Thomas Jannet. 50. Ag. Woolen Hosiery Maker. Joseph. Son. 7. Jemima. Dau. 13. All above Born within the County. I can have a look at that Marriage Register for you at the Records Office if you wish. ? MIKE.

*** F.A.O. Paul *** Just had a trawl through my Phillimore Early Parish Marriages Seeing it stated that Daniel was from the Ratby Parish on his Marriage certificate :- Although the pre 1773 Parish Registers were lost due to a Fire. Some early Registers did survived…… RATBY. ( St. Philip & James.) Josiah Grudgings. ~ Elizabeth ARNALD. 17th. Sept. 1765. By Banns. Thomas Cuffin. ~ Dorothy UPTON. 27th. June. 1766. By LICENCE. Josiah Grudgings. ~ Ann JORDEN. 30th. March. 1778. By Banns. George UPTON. ~ Elizabeth REYNOLDS. 28th. November. 1797. By Banns. Edward UPTON. ~ Ann EASOM. 26th. October. 1798. By Banns. John GRUDGINGS. ~ Sarah Jorden. 11th. October. 1899. By Banns. Sorry but DESFORD Parish did not appear on the Disk. MIKE.

It would seem that this is the correct couple. I have a John McJannett married to a Mary Hutchins. Among their children they have a daughter Ann c1802. There are many variations on the spelling of Mcjannett which does cause a bit of a headache!! I would love to find out about the above Johns parents. Regards Karen

Greeting’s & Welcome Karen….. The closest I can get to come up this the following From my Burial Disk. Village. / Names. / Dates. / Ages. / Notes. :- NARBOROUGH MACJENNET ANN 15 APR 1814 11 DAU OF JOHN & MARY Due to the early dates posted …… The only way to get any information is to trawl the Parish Registers. Held at the Records Office Wigston. But you really need to know Christian names and approx dates of birth…. Then…. you’ll have the headache of putting these into Family Groups. MIKE.

Hi I have McJannets from Narborough Leics. Any pre 1837 info would be welcome. Karen