Genealogy Chat

Yes, I saw the Elizabeth Sharpe marriage on the IGI. I thought Elizabeth Biddle was more likely, because she came from Mountsorrel, which fits with the 1851 census information. I didn't find an Elizabeth Sharp(e) of about the right age from Mountsorrel.

Greeting's Again Mary.... There were two other Marriages from my Marriage index disk. William North. ~ Elizabeth SHARP. Rothley. 1829. By Banns. and the one you already have.... William North . ~ Elizabeth BIDDLE. Rothley. 1824. By Banns. MIKE.

And the only possible marriage on IGI is William North to Elizabeth Biddle, Rothley, 1829. However, the William North christened in 1814 would only have been 15 then (if he was born in the year he was christened), whereas Elizabeth would have been about 34 (born c1795). Seems a bit unlikely. Anyway, I was forgetting that according to the censuses, William Wood's father and mother were born in 1780 and 1795 respectively. The 1851 census shows his mother Elizabeth as born in Mountsorrel South, which fits with Elizabeth Biddle, christened in Mountsorrel 1796, daughter of William Biddle and Alice Gregory.

OK, I've had a look on the IGI, and there's a William North christened on 10/4/1814 in Loughborough. The entry says that his parents were William North and Elizabeth Wood, but it's an entry submitted by a member of the LDS church, not extracted from Parish Registers. There are 9 more christenings with the same batch number, presumably siblings. If the date of birth was 1814, this William would be just about old enough (16) to have fathered William Wood North in 1830.

Thank you, Mike - my goodness, you are thorough! So William Wood North was a bachelor when he married Mary. What a shame - I liked the sound of Jane better than Mary as a great-grandma :-) I see Mary took 10 years off her age when she got married (according to the censuses, she would have been 45, not 35). The marriage of William Wood's father to Elizabeth Wood is very interesting - I'd missed that. I had expected a Wood surname to account for William Wood's middle name, but I obviously didn't look far enough back. I had his mother down as Elizabeth Biddle, because her mother's maiden name was Gregory, which would account for William Wood's brother's name. I'm still a bit doubtful about Elizabeth Wood - she and William were married in 1812, and William Wood wasn't born till 1830, which seems like an awfully long gap. I wonder if there's a missing generation? A child of William North and Elizabeth Wood born c 1812 could be the parent of William Wood North born 1830. I'll have another look at the IGI. Don't know who the witness Ann North was - Gregory's wife was called Milley. The only sibling I've found for William Wood is Gregory (a Rachel and Benjamin born 1825 and 1829 have the same IGI batch number, but they're living with a different Wood family on the censuses, so I don't think they were siblings of William and Gregory).

Greeting’s Again Mary……… Here is the transcript for that Marriage of William Wood North to Mary St. Margaret’s Cathedral / Parish Church. Entry No.429, FEB 21, 1858, on Superintendent Registrar's Certificate WILLIAM WOOD NORTH, 27, Bach. BUTCHER, of BRUNSWICK St, Son. of WILLIAM NORTH, CARRIER MARY SCREATON, 35, Wid. of BRUNSWICK St, Dau. of WILLIAM PARKINSON, FARMER Wits: GREGORY NORTH, ANN NORTH. You’ll see that it was conducted under Superintendent Registrar’s Certificate. So…. There will be an Index card in the Records Office at Wigston. Giving extra details which might just help. Using the resources to hand. & Trying to match up to details from the transcript of that marriage at St. Margaret’s Church. North,/ Wood,/ Carrier / & Rothley I have come up with the following :- I think the below Baptist Christening In Rothley matches the above William Wood North ? WILLIAM WOOD NORTH Male Event(s): Birth: 22 JUN 1830 General Baptist, Rothley And Sileby, Leicester, England Christening: Death: Burial: Parents: Father: WILLIAM NORTH Family Mother: ELIZABETH And this could well be the Marriage to match the above Parents ? William North.~ Elizabeth WOOD. Loughborough. 1812. BY LICENCE. If you look at the 1841. Census returns for Rothley HO 107 / 595. / Book 17. / Folder. 7. / Page. 6. Keyword = North Rothley. Church-gate. William North 61. Carrier. Elizabeth Wife. 45. WILLIAM Son. 10. Gregory. Son. 7. ( same one as witness ? ) Also within the same Household William North 20. Male Servant. All Born within the County. The above are still there in 1851. I think this is that William North aged 20 from that 1841.Census But in 1851. 1851.census HO 107 / 2088 / 458./ 25./ Leicester. 100 Humberstone Road. TIMOTHY ORAM HEAD M 46 M CURRIER LEI LUBBESTHORPE MARY A ORAM WIFE M 47 F LEI ALST JOSEPH JOHN ORAM SON U 21 M LEI SMRT HENRY A ORAM SON U 16 M LEI EAST NORTON CHARLES S ORAM SON 8 M SCHOLAR NTH ST GILES NORTHAMPTON WILLIAM H ORAM SON 5 M SCHOLAR LEI SMGT JOHN BURDETT HEAD M 70 M CORDWAINER DBY CAULDWELL MARY BURDETT WIFE M 63 F LEI SUTTON CHENEY WILLIAM NORTH LODG U 32 M PORTER LEI ROTHLEY I did look up those Christening’s you found on Free BMD William North Christened 28th. Jan 1854. Died 1st. Feb. 1854. Syston. Father :- David North......a Gardener. Mother Alice. William North. Christened 15th. Oct. 1854. Syston. Father :- Joseph North.....a Bricklayer. Mother :- Eliza. Syston came under Barrow – Upon – Soar District. Search continues latter today. Time to blow out the candle me thinks… Chow…….. MIKE.

Here's the list of pre-1837 Rothley & Sileby General Baptist Births if anyone's interested: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb(.)com/~blanchec/rothleybirth.htm http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb(.)com/~blanchec/rothleybirth2.htm (remove brackets)

Next instalment (I've split the messages to make it a bit more readable): I decided to look for a marriage before the marriage to Mary, and a wife who died, and sure enough I found one that possibly fits the bill - a William North (but no middle name Wood) married Jane Pym in Melton Mowbray in q1 1854, and she died in q1 1855 in Melton (whereas I would have expected the death to be registered at Barrow). William lived in Rothley up to the 1871 census; by 1881 he was living in Leicester. I then trawled Ancestry for possible births, and I found the following: William North born Barrow on Soar q1 1854 William North died Barrow on Soar q1 1854 William North born Barrow on Soar q4 1854 William North died Leicester q4 1854 No William Norths born in 1855 William North died Melton Mowbray q1 1855 William Benjamin North born Leicester q2 1856 William Benjamin North died Leicester q2 1856 William North born Barrow on Soar q4 1856 William North died Barrow on Soar q4 1856 I applied to the GRO for the birth certificate of the William North born q4 1854, with a proviso that the father must be William Wood North, and I've just had a message back from them that they haven't issued the certificate because the father's forenames aren't William Wood. Could you have a look at those births and see if any of the names fit? Sorry to be a bit verbose, but I think you'll need the information to do the search.

Hi Mike, Thanks for offering to help. I haven't bothered you a lot lately because I eventually took your advice and got a subscription to Ancestry, which has kept me busy! I shall have to give you a bit of background information for this look-up - bear with me. My great-grandfather was William North. According to his marriage certificate his father was William Wood North. The censuses give his place of birth as Rothley and his dob as 1855-6. His age is given on his marriage certificate as 23 (he was married in 1879). However, the family bible says he was born in 1854, and it's always proved accurate so far. The problem is that there were at least 3 William Norths born in the Rothley/Syston area at about the same time, and that period isn't very well covered by FreeBMD. I found a marriage for his father William Wood North to Mary Screaton (née Parkinson) at St. Margaret's, Leicester in 1858, but William would have been born at least 2 years earlier. Mary's first husband died in 1852, so she and William Wood would have been free to marry earlier. It seemed unlikely to me that they'd live in sin for years in a small place like Rothley, especially as they were Baptists (I found both their names on the online list of Rothley Baptist births).

Greeting's & Welcome Mary...... If you post the names you are looking for on here Then I'll see what I can come up with using the resources I have to hand. If unsuccesful..... Then I'll have a look at Parish Registers at Wigston Records Office..... MIKE.

Anyone looking for Antliff or all the variations ? I recently had a message via another site from a person in Australia researching Antliff's (and variations) in Leicester as I am shown looking for this name but with one exception mine were all Nottingham. If any one has any Leicestershire names/details I would be happy to pass them on.

Hi Mike, I need a look-up doing for a post-1837 birth in Rothley, which would have been registered in Barrow. Do you have access to those records at Wigston, or are they kept somewhere else?

Thank you MIKE Thought this one was a winner, first step in a long search for ROGER NEWTON I have made contact with Ray but alas he is not related to Roger. Many thanks for your help, if you can advise of any other avenues I can look into, I would be most grateful. Kay xxxxxxxx

Your very welcome Bev & Elaine..... I would think doing on that date the plot would be at the back of the Chapels going to wards Anstey Lane Exit.... MIKE.xxx

Thanks Mike Bev and Elaine

F.A.O. BEV c/o Elaine Roberts All cemetery and crematorium matters are dealt with at our central office in New Walk Centre, Leicester. Telephone (U.K.): 0116 252 7382/7383 Fax (U.K): 0116 222 8706 E-Mail: cemeteries(Hat)leicester.gov.uk remove the brackets & hat & put in the right icon Address: Burial & Cremation Manager, New Walk Centre, Welford Place, Leicester, LE1 6ZG F.A.O. the other Elaine .... re address on birth cert...... Try BUTTS CLOSE LANE CHURCHGATE Which is in the Parish of St. Margaret's. MIKE.xxx

Hi Mike and anyone who can help I am on my friends computer she wants to know if there is anywhere she can enquire about where a grave is at Gilrose Cemetry the person she is looking for was buried 2001. Best wishes Bev Wittering

Hi Mike Have just got a birth cert for my William Ward 1845 and George is still a fishmonger! Am I reading the address right as it looks like Bulls Close Lane, St Margarets? Elaine

Greeting’s Again Bruce & Linda……. Umm….. Just wonder if Edward was married TWICE ? There is this one :- Edward – Smith - Hamess. ~ Anne BAUM, 10th. Feb. 1808. Shearsby ( 10.6 Miles from Claybrook. ) By LICENCE. Then following Death of Anne ( See burials below ) Married :- Edward Hames. ~ Hannah ROBINSON. 1st. Nov. 1819. Claybrook Magna. By Banns. Hames Burials Claybrook Magna Names. / Dates./ Ages. / Notes. HAMEES ISAAC 28 NOV 1815 27WKS GRT CLAYBROOK HAMES ** ANNE ** 11 APR 1819 31 ABODE GRT CLAYBROOK HAMES JANE 21 AUG 1826 11MTHS ABODE GRT CLAYBROOK HAMES JAMES 12 JAN 1836 2 ABODE GT CLAYBROOK HAMES WILLIAM 28 MAR 1837 71 ABODE ULLESTHORPE Christening's found for Claybrook Magna. All with Parents Edward & ANNE Hames. William 25th. Jul. 1813. Mary. 25th. Jul. 1813. SUSANNAH. Born 17th. Jan. 1817. Christened 13th. April 1817. There was also Charles & James Hames 10th. Jan 1836. But just has Mother’s names as MARY HAMES. Census returns for 1851. Claybrook Magna. I see Edward is still stated as Married aged 66. Born Frolesworth. But no sign of Hannah. Elizabeth & Samuel are still with him. Also within the household there is a Grandson William Smith aged 4. Hope this is of help to you…. Sorry for the delay but I was on another site helping out...... MIKE. UPDATED 02.00. AM BST. from another disk Although I couldn't see a christening for Edward in Froleswowrth... There were other Hames with the parents of :- Isaac Hames & Anne (née Smith ) all within Frolesworth. 1780 ~ 90's.

Hi Mike Thank you, it's one I'm looking at and need to order a birth cert to confirm and sort a few gaps with my Hunts, I should have shares in St Margarets!!! Elaine