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Greeting’s & Welcome Michael……. Sorry No Palmers Families found in Lubenham…..BUT….. There you Go for Berry……. 1841. Census Image. HO 107 / 591 / 02 / Page. 16. In the Hundred of Gartree Hamlet of Lubenham. “ PAPILION HALL “ William Sawyer.60. Grazer. N. Elizabeth Wife.60. N. Elizabeth (Sister) 50. IND. N. Also within the same Household…… Ann Brown. 40. IND. N. Ann Pickering. 18. Female Servant. Y. SAMUEL BERRY. 70. Ag. Lab. Y. William. ??-man.15. Male servant. N. N. = NO Not born within the County. Y. = YES Born within the County. IND. = Living on Independent means. “ Papilion Hall “ is on the right on the main Road ( A4304 ) Out of Lubenham going west to Theddingworth Just after the turning to Marston Trussell. O.S. Landranger maps No.141. Grid Ref. SP 688 869. 1851. INDEX ONLY Census returns Vol. 3. Index No. 426. = Lubenham. BERRY. Samuel. 80. Sorry…… No other details given. Palmer Burials found :- LUBENHAM PALMER JAMES 21 AUG 1828 Aged.. 64 LUBENHAM PALMER MARY 12 FEB 1833 Aged.80 And here’s Samuel & Jane’s Burials :- LUBENHAM BERRY JANE 31 OCT 1831 Aged.63 LUBENHAM BERRY SAMUEL 13 SEP 1858 Aged.87 Marriage found :- James Berry. ~ Mary White. Lubenham. 1805.By Banns. Earlier details will only be found through Parish Records…. Leicesteshire & Rutland Records office. Long Street. Wigston Magna. Leicester LE18 2AH. Tel : 0116 257 1080. But be careful Lubenham is right on the boundary of Leicestershire & Northamptonshire…. so some details might have to found via Northamptonshire Records Office. Hope this is of help to you. MIKE.

Greeting's Again Elaine.... Sorry.... I've been right through the 1841. Census for the City ( 89.000 Names) No George Ward (Fish monger) found..... The closest is :- Ages are about right and and both names are right and he born outside of County as 1851. Just the occupation ? ..umm. HO 107 / 604 / 14 / Page. 42. Church-gate. Neal's Yard. George Ward. 20. Police Constable. N. Ann. Wife. 25. Y. John. Son. 7 Months old. Y By the way found another Thomas Powell aged 30. Boatman. born within the County Elizabeth 28. born within the County. They are on a boat on the River Soar close to West Bridge... 1841. Census. HO 107/ 605./ 15. / Page. 13. ' Oh Sugerlumps !!! '..... MIKE.

Hi Mike Got my Thomas in 1841 already with Hannah, it's 1851 I can't find them but thank you very much. I shall have to make my first trip to the records office and look for my Wards in Newarke first I think and then brave Leicester and take one chunk at a time. Your help is much appreciated Elaine

Greeting's again Elaine..... I've started the ball rolling for you..... With a request for a look up 1841. Newark on another Site ... Fingers crossed..... MIKE.

Mike That's brilliant, thank you very much Elaine

Greeting’s Elaine…… There you go Baptisms for Newark.... Reply from other site …… Record PLACE DATE BORN CNAME FNAME MNAME FSURN MSURN ABODE PROF --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 289178 NEW 05/05/1815 George Jonas Ann WARD Newark Horsekeeper 289798 NEW 03/09/1817 * George Isaac Jonas Ann WARD Newark Fishmonger 290382 NEW 25/12/1819 Ann Jonas Ann Lee WARD Newark Fishmonger 291114 NEW 10/11/1822 Jane Jonas Ann WARD Newark Fishmonger 291727 NEW 06/02/1825 Charles Henry Jonas Ann WARD Newark Fishmonger 292275 NEW 14/01/1827 Sarah Jonas Ann WARD Newark Fishmonger 294410 NEW 23/07/1829 James Jonas Jonas Ann WARD Fishmonger 295394 NEW 10/11/1833 Frederic Jonas Ann WARD Fishmonger 304295 NEW 17/10/1831 * James Jonas Ann WARD Fishmonger 339727 NEW 18/07/1812 10 07 1812 Mary Jonas Ann WARD He is not in Newark 1841. Gr....well not yet still more folk doing look ups MIKE. UPDATE... This could be the 1st George Ward on that list :- 1841. Census. NorthGate Newark 868-4-26 George Ward 30 Butcher Yes Elizabeth Ward 35 No William Ward 6 Yes William Ward 10 No

Thanks very much Mike, that's great. I had found the entry for SB in 1851 - with his daughter Jane, son-in-law William Knight and their children. The lack of Palmers I would assume means that they moved into Lubenham at some point, which makes tracing them a little trickier. Thanks for your help and good luck with your own research. Best wishes, Michael

Greeting’s Again Michael…… Knight Family 1841.Census Image return . :- HO 107 / 591. / 02. / Page. 11. In the Hundred of Gartree Within the Hamlet of Lubenham. William Knight. 45. Silk Weaver. Jane. Wife. 35. John. Son.16. Ann. Dau. 14. Betsy. Dau. 12. Thomas.Son.10. Berry. ? 4. Joseph. Son 1. Sarah. Dau. 3. Months Old. All Born within the County Of Leicestershire. Knight Marriages found for Lubenham :- William Jordan Knight. ~ Jane Berry. Lubenham. 1820. By Banns. Other Knight Marriages:- Mary Matilda Knight. ~ William Martin. 1826. By Banns. Mary Knight. ~ John Eldridge. 1826. By Banns. John Knight. ~ Susan Buszard. 1833. By Banns. Ann Knight. ~ William Martin. 1831. By Banns. Burials fond for Lubenham :- KNIGHT ANN 09 JUN 1824 3WKS KNIGHT ANN 13 DEC 1826 20 KNIGHT THOMAS 26 JUL 1829 68 KNIGHT CHARLES 10 JUN 1832 27 KNIGHT JAMES 02 JUL 1837 22 KNIGHT JANE 09 APR 1839 16 KNIGHT ANN 12 OCT 1845 79 KNIGHT SARAH 15 SEP 1846 35 KNIGHT GEORGE ANDREW 07 NOV 1846 11MTHS KNIGHT HENRY 19 MAR 1847 4 KNIGHT JOHN 08 OCT 1849 77 KNIGHT ANN 01 DEC 1850 81 KNIGHT JOHN 21 AUG 1851 39 KNIGHT SUSAN 01 AUG 1855 22 * KNIGHT JOHN BERRY 29 JUN 1857 32 * KNIGHT WILLIAM JORDAN 06 MAR 1858 65 KNIGHT ANN 25 JUN 1859 23 KNIGHT HENRY JOHN PICKERING 25 AUG 1859 4MTHS KNIGHT ELIZABETH 21 APR 1865 76 MIKE.

Hi Mike Going to have fun getting my head round that lot, what's with all the middle surname/full name in the form it is written in if you will pardon my ignorance, for instance Ann Jonas Ann Lee Ward Elaine

Greeting’s Again Elaine…… Across the top are the abbreviations :- CNAME = Christian name. FNAME= Father's Christian Name. MNAME= Mother’s Christain Name. FSURN= Father’s Surname. MSURN= Mother’s Surname( Maiden Name.) ABODE= Address. PROF = Profession of Father. e.g.:- Ann Jonas Ann WARD Lee Newark Fishmonger Good luck……Your time starts NOW….. & NO….You can’t come back next week !!! ….lol…. :0) MIKE. x

Hi Mike So it is Elizabeth Lee who Jonas married, am I just lucky that Lee has been mentioned or should it have been down on all the births, the Ann Lee written twice for Ann is confusing me Elaine

Greeting’s Again Elaine….. I read the details from those Baptisms as follows :- 25.12.1819. Ann. Father :- Jonas Ward. Mother Ann Ward ( née Lee ) Occupation of Father :- Fish Monger. Address = Newark. When you have seen an early Parish Record Then it will make sense as that’s how it’s set out Yes…. I would say you are lucky to have Jonas’s wife’s Maiden name It’s all to do with who takes the details down Some Curates / Vicars were particular for FULL details…. Thinking aloud now… I’ve done a bit of fretting about ……. At first I thought Jonas had TWO marriages But this was dispelled by Ann's Death (1841.) and Jonas's burial 1837...... SO....... Could the Elizabeth Ward on the 1841. Census ( Sunday 6th. June 1841..) Have been a Leicester relative of Jonas & Ann.? And she was looking after the Fish Monger’s ? Due to Ann Ward’s death See below :- St. George’s Parish Church ( Situated on Rutland Street) WARD ANN 21 FEB 1841 AGED.48 Or..... was Elizabeth...... Ann’s middle name which she preferred ?........ Also just had a look at a Kelly’s Trade directory for Leicester 1843. Under Fish Mongers....And NO Wards featured…..Grrr Had another look at the 1851. census again found the following:- 1851. Census. 2090. /298. / 23. / 87. Leicester. St. Martin’s Parish. Town Hall Lane.( Today = Guild Hall Lane) MARY BREWIN HEAD W 40 F INN KEEPER LEI LEICESTER FOREST EMILY VARNHAM NECE M 24 F INN KEEPER LEI LEICESTER THOMAS WILSON LODG W 32 M CARPENTER LEI LEICESTER ADAM WILSON LODG 9 M LEI LEICESTER WRIGHT WILSON LODG 7 M LEI LEICESTER EDWARD IVENS LODG U 20 M CARPENTER NTH WOLD JOHN GERM LODG M 35 M CURRIER DBY DERBY HENRY WARD LODG U 30 M CARPENTER LEI BARKBY * CHARLES H WARD LODG U 26 M FISHMONGER NTT NEWARK JOHN WILLEY LODG W 50 M MILLER HRT WHE(R/S)TON? (WESTON?) Shame it didn't say where Charles worked ....Grr Also.... Could this be Elizabeth Ward from the 1841 Census ? 1851. Census. 2090. / 13. / 32. Leicester. St. Martin’s Town Hall Lane. “ Newark Houses.” ANNE J BOULTON HEAD M 39 F DRESSMAKER LAN MANCHESTER JOHN G BOULTON SON U 17 M CARPENTERS APP LEI LEICESTER ROSA BOULTON DAU U 10 F SCHOLAR LEI LEICESTER * ELIZABETH WARD LODG M 55 F PAUPER GLOVE STITCHER LEI LEICESTER To save face told them she was still married ? Time to blow out that candle me thinks …..<3 MIKE.

Hi Mike Must have been following you around, I found Elizabeth at The Newarke Houses but wasn't sure plus I keep getting confused with Elizabeth/Ann, put Ann in my query to you above and then thought that's wrong and changed to Elizabeth DOH! Plus I remember seeing Jonas in a list on his own (not a census record) but can I find it....... Not had enough time to sit and work it all out this week but can't wait till I can Elaine

Bingo Mike Just found my Wards using the batch numbers on IGI, parents are ANN and Jonas, the children you named are there, just working on it all now Elaine Bit more, 1815 George dies and George Isaac is my rellie who marries Ann Revell so that find at Welford Road must be them together. Haven't found James, Frederic, James and Mary on IGI

Mike Is St Georges as you mentioned, St George The Martyr used as like a cut through by people in town and again alot of building is going on around it. If you had your back to it on Colton Street you see Northampton Street and Northampton Square opposite ??? Elaine

Hi Elaine If you do James birth 1829 plus 5 Notttingham tbey are both at bottom if you do the same for Frederic birth plus 5 hes number 1 Bev

Thanks Bev Went to King Lock yesterday, found it no problem, bit miffed it was closed though!!! If you go it's only open Thurs, Fri, Sat, and Sunday Elaine

Bev Just found the missing 3, brilliant thanks, gotta go supposed to be working in a bit Elaine

Greeting's Again Elaine..... Yep...... that's the Church We ran through it at top speed when we were young on your way to Vestry Swimming Baths with the school Otherwise we thought we would be got at ... You could see most of the Vaults cracked and open...Grrrr Talking of St. George's Church.... I was trawling through the fiches at Wigston today... and found this one which I think belongs to you ?:- ..... 20 th. June. 1854. St. George's Church. JAMES WARD. ~ MARIA COOK. Bachelor full age. James Living at Colton Street. Fish Monger. Father Jonas Ward. Fish Monger. Maria Cook. Spinster. Full age. Living at Halford Street. Father James Cook. Shoe Maker. By Banns. John. Turner. Vicar. Both signed by their own signature. Wittiness :- James Cook, Charles Jones, Sarah Cook. and a Mary By ??? too faded Sorry. Saw one of those HINCKS !!!! aswell... ( Alfred Amy... Fly Driver) married to a Mary HUNT 10th. July 1855. St. George's Church..... Ummm..... I could have told you about opening times for King's Lock.They do great Afternoon Teas.... MIKE.

Hi Mike It was my anniversary so we went for a ride there ! Going for another ride Sunday and meeting my cousin, yep thanks for spotting one of mine, that's Maria from Tugby. They all end up in Scarborough and yes you've guessed it as a fishmonger Elaine