Genealogy Chat

Right Jenny. They actually married in Wellingborough and the 1901 tells me he was born in the county at least Felton, William George 1891 December Marriages Wellingborough Bedfordshire Northamptonshire Jeffcoat, Annie Sarah 1891 December Marriages Wellingborough Bedfordshire Northamptonshire ------------------------------------------------- 1901 census Annie Felton abt 1872 Northamptonshire, England Wife St Giles Northamptonshire Arthur Felton abt 1900 Northamptonshire, England Son St Giles Northamptonshire Frank Felton abt 1891 Northamptonshire, England Son St Giles Northamptonshire Nellie Felton abt 1897 Northamptonshire, England Daughter St Giles Northamptonshire William Felton abt 1872 Northamptonshire, England Head St Giles Northamptonshire Willie Felton abt 1896 Northamptonshire, England Son St Giles Northamptonshire Walter Jeffcoat abt 1877 Northamptonshire, England Boarder St Giles Northamptonshire . ............................................................................... Right,- have had a hunt about. Think you are going to have to buy the marriage cert , and find his fathers name.too many to chose from.

Christine.are you sure the baptism is correct - not that I doubt your source at all- formerly usually has different conitation to Nee, nee being the name she was born with, have you explored the posibilty that she was married before this marriage? Jess x

Debbie, your request needs to be here! 1861 census for JOSEPH BIRKS born around 1850, somewhere in Staffordshire In the 1881 census he is living on Wath on Dearne with his mother Betsy. He is a widower. I know he married my X2 great Grannie in Oct 1881 and it states that his father was called JAMES BIRKS. I presume that James was still alive then as it does not state he was deceased but on the 1881 census it says that Betsy was a widow. I am totally confused. I have a feeling they were travellers, they don't seem to like to stay in one place for too long. He eventually ended up in Darlington. I have found him on the 1891 and 1901 census but just can't find him 1861 or 1871. -The 1881 for my ref Betsy Birks abt 1823 NK, Worcestershire, England Head St Helens St, Wath On Dearne, Yorkshire, England Betsy F. Birks abt 1875 Tipton, Staffordshire, England Granddaughter St Helens St, Wath On Dearne, Yorkshire, England Israel Birks abt 1864 Hoyland, Yorkshire, England Son St Helens St, Wath On Dearne, Yorkshire, England Israel Birks abt 1877 Hoyland, Yorkshire, England Grandson St Helens St, Wath On Dearne, Yorkshire, England Joseph Birks abt 1850 NK, Staffordshire, England Son St Helens St, Wath On Dearne, Yorkshire, England ............................................................................ 1781 Betsey and Israel, (mistranscribed) Betsey Birks abt 1830 Stourbridge, Worcestershire, England Wife Hoyland Yorkshire Isabel Birks abt 1864 Hoyland, Yorkshire, England Lodger Hoyland Yorkshire Saml Birks abt 1859 Pensnett, Staffordshire, England Lodger Hoyland Yorkshire Hannah Broadhead abt 1851 Clay Cross, Derbyshire, England Wife Hoyland Yorkshire Jessie Broadhead abt 1871 Hoyland, Yorkshire, England Daughter Hoyland Yorkshire John Broadhead abt 1860 Ripley, Derbyshire, England Son Hoyland Yorkshire Walter Broadhead abt 1846 Ashby De La Zouch, Leicestershire, England Head Hoyland Yorkshire Living is Davies Buildings. Betsey is said to be married by her husband is not there, .............................................................................. the obvious Joseph in 1871 John Birks abt 1843 West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England Traveler Stoke upon Trent Staffordshire Joseph Birks abt 1850 West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England Traveler Stoke upon Trent Staffordshire address looks like Staffort St .................................................................... 1861

Christopher; All the Hannah kay's born about the right time , resident Yorkshire. 1.Hannah Kay abt 1824 Barnsley, Yorkshire, England Wife Barnsley Yorkshire HEAD EDWARD Hannah Kay abt 1824 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Wife Brightside Bierlow Yorkshire HEAD WILLIAM Hannah Kay abt 1823 Owlerton, Yorkshire, England Wife Ecclesall Bierlow Yorkshire HEAD DAVID Hannah Kay abt 1823 Kirkburton, Yorkshire, England Wife Hepworth Yorkshire HEAD NATHAN (SON Jonas) Hannah Kay abt 1822 Hove Edge, Yorkshire, England Wife Hipperholme with Brighouse Yorkshire HEAD ROBERT Hannah Kay abt 1822 Hutton, Yorkshire, England Wife Hutton Rudby Yorkshire HEAD ALVEY Hannah Kay abt 1823 Haworth, Yorkshire, England Wife Keighley Yorkshire HEAD EDWIN Hannah Kay abt 1824 Leeds, Yorkshire, England Sister Leeds Yorkshire >SEEMS LIKE 4 SISTERS Hannah Kay abt 1823 Strensall, Yorkshire, England Daughter Strensall Yorkshire .UNMARRIED DAUGHTER. ................................................................... THIS ONLY LEAVES MISTRANSCRIBED unless she re-married one of her late husbands brothers ... (getting desperate here!) .......................................................................... DO NOT presume he was alive when thomas was born...!! Where was thomas birth registered? Kay, Noah 1857 March Deaths Gainsborough Lincolnshire Nottinghamshire KAY, Noah 1859 June Deaths Wortley West Riding of Yorkshire Kay, Noah 1866 December Deaths Prescot Lancashire Kay, Noah 1893 June Deaths Prestwich Lancashire

Thank you Jesse for the above information. Like every thing its a long shot what can be found. I have just had a look at the Hutton Rudby address and that is in North Yorkshire. Also I have had another thought on the address I listed for Hannah. I think her birth town would be Hutton le Hole in North Yorks, not in Hull. I was hoping at least Hannah kay and her family up to George Kay would be found in the 1861 census for Leeds and that her husband's details would also be confirmed. He must have been alive up to 1863 when Thomas was born. Thanks for your help Jesse, its very much appreaciated. Regards Christopher

Christopher. These are the 3 NOAH KAY's that show on the 1861 1 Noah Kay abt 1844 Blackburn, Lancashire, England Son Blackburn Lancashire 2 Noah Kay abt 1839 Blackly, Lancashire, England Head Moston Lancashire 3 Noah Lucy Kay abt 1859 Burnley, Lancashire, England Over Darwen Lancashire .............................. 1 he is a son, not the head.Father Thomas 2>Household = Catherine Kay abt 1839 York, Yorkshire, England Wife Moston Lancashire Noah Kay abt 1839 Blackly, Lancashire, England Head Moston Lancashire 3. Wife is Nancy ....................................................................... another tack; thought i'd found her here: Alvey Kay abt 1820 Hutton, Yorkshire, England Head Hutton Rudby Yorkshire <* Hannah Kay abt 1822 Hutton, Yorkshire, England Wife Hutton Rudby Yorkshire Elizabeth Metcalf abt 1815 Coxwold, Yorkshire, England Lodger Hutton Rudby Yorkshire * looked at the image.Dont think it says ALVEY - not to my eyes, but doesn't say Noah either!

Hello Jesse, Please would you be so kind as to look in 1861 data. The family I am interested in is called, “Kay”. My Great Grandfather on my mother’s side was called Thomas Kay. Thomas Kay married Clara Hardcastle on 1st February 1885 at St Peters, Hunslet (District of Leeds). This father was named as Noah [deceased] (not the one with the arc). In the 1871 Census I have come across a family, which could be the family I am searching for. At the time of the wedding Thomas was 23 and Clara was 21. On the 1871 census Thomas was only eight years old and it looks like Noah was already dead. The 1871 census follows. 1871 census Address: Scholey Close/Court, Holbeck (District of Leeds) Hannah Kay: 48 Born Hutton Lee, Hull (?), Yorkshire. Head, Widow, Charwomen. Ann Elizabeth ? Kay: 19 Born Hunslet, Yorkshire. Daughter, Cleaner in flour mill. James Kay: 17 Born Featherstone nr Leeds, Yorkshire. Son, Potter/Porter. George Kay: 11 Born Hunslet, Yorkshire, Son Thomas Kay: 08 Born Hunslet. What I would like to confirm is that I have the right family and that Noah was the father and alive in 1861. Thank you for any help you can offer. Kind regards, Christopher.

Christine.Are you sure her name was Rachel? (Maybe Ruth Rachel or is that me ckutching at straws?) Doncaster, Charles 1854 June Marriages St George Hanover Square London Surrey Moll, Rachel 1854 June Marriages St George Hanover Square London Surrey >Pudney, William 1854 June Marriages St George Hanover Square London Surrey >Wallis, Ruth 1854 June Marriages St George Hanover Square

Rosi, have looked at those 3 more closely.None of them has a father called William. Sorry.Are you sure of his birth place? jess

Thank you Jess The info narrows my search down a great deal. You did ask what his parents names were...........Just had a look and forgot to mention this His fathers name was also William Symes born about 1850............Would that help at all. Thanks again Rosi

Jenny- will have look...just because it is you!! have made a start - below- but leave it with me until tommorow please (been away-too tired now) note for me: Annie Sarah married William George Felton Dec 1891 (N'pton). I am trying to get back on the Felton side. I have found a marriage of William Felton to Sarah Ann Eales, June 1872 - BUT I don't know if these are the parents of William And I still can't find the Feltons on any census records. Also, Sarah Ann married her 2nd husband James Travell June 1878, so on 1881 census William is known as Travell, he then picks up his birth name of Felton when he marries in Dec 1891. So, I know his mother is Sarah Ann - but was her maiden name Eales? Ok, I could confirm that by getting William George birth cert but, how do I find William's birth (father of William George) as he doesn't appear anywhere in Northampton records and there are several listed on Ancestry from different parts of he country. --------------------------------------------------------- Jenny -actually they married in Wellingborough Felton, William George 1891 December Marriages Wellingborough Bedfordshire Northamptonshire Jeffcoat, Annie Sarah 1891 December Marriages Wellingborough Bedfordshire Northamptonshire ----------------------------------------------------- Now i will look at 1901 census, and see if i can find them together to get and idea where he was born JENNY-NOT FINISHED YET (NOT STARTED REALLY) LEAVE IT WITH ME PLEASE!!

Rosi, Typically there is more than 1 possible, although one has wrong middle inital. William Symes abt 1894 Heston, Middlesex, England Son Battersea London William Symes abt 1893 E, Shoreditch Son St Luke London X William P Symes abt 1894 West Kensington, London, England Son Fulham London Do you know his parents names?

Hi Jess Please can you help, if you have time I am looking for.... William Henry Symes: Year of birth 1894 ( no date or month) Fulham born but not 100% sure (Married to: Frances Bridget Lewsley) D.O.M: 10/1/1921 I am intrested in any brothers and sisters he may have. Sorry not much info but thats all I have....... Thank you Rosi

anyone? All done (i Think!)

Julie, this appears to be Lily (from the info you supplied) 1891: Ingles, John H abt 1862 Leeds, Yorkshire Brother Bolton Yorkshire Ingles, Mason abt 1868 Leeds, Yorkshire Head Bolton Yorkshire Robinson, Lily abt 1868 Bradford, Yorkshire Lodger Bolton Yorkshire address is 35 oak.... (not readable) She is said to be married, but henry is not there. -------------------------------------------------- Looking now for 1901 Maggie Harrison abt 1896 Bradford, Yorkshire, England Lodger Bradford Yorkshire Sarah A Harrison abt 1874 Bradford, Yorkshire, England Lodger Bradford Yorkshire Walter Harrison abt 1894 Bradford, Yorkshire, England Lodger Bradford Yorkshire Elsie Ingleson abt 1898 Bradford, Yorkshire, England Daughter Bradford Yorkshire John Ingleson abt 1894 Bradford, Yorkshire, England Son Bradford Yorkshire John H Ingleson abt 1862 Bradford, Yorkshire, England Head Bradford Yorkshire Lily Robinson abt 1868 Bradford, Yorkshire, England HOUSEKEEPER Bradford Yorkshire . Again said to be married , but no Henry Address, as you said, 3 Potter St

Yes Jess as the children and dates tally many thanxs again lesley :~)

No Helens 1856+/-5 Eleanors Edwards, Eleanor 1852 March Marriages Wem Shropshire Edwards, Eleanor 1856 June Births Oswestry Denbighshire Shropshire Edwards, Eleanor 1856 June Births Atcham Montgomeryshire Shropshire Edwards, Eleanor 1858 June Deaths Kidderminster Hereford and Worcester Shropshire Staffordshire Worcestershire EDWARDS, Eleanor 1859 June Deaths Stourbridge Shropshire Staffordshire Warwickshire West Midlands Worcestershire Edwards, Sarah Eleanor 1855 September Deaths Oswestry Denbighshire Shropshire You are supposing Helen and Eleanor are one and the same person...?

Hi Jess Continuing on from previous message: Can you check and see if there is a Helen Edwards death as she is Helen on 1851 census. but Eleanor on marriage date. So her death will be between 1851 and 1861 census. 1851 Longnor shropshire 1861 her husband John living in Smethcott shropshire. thanxs lesley :~)

jULIE, DO YOU KNOW WHERE EITHER OF THEM WERE BORN? THEY ARE NOT OBVIOUS

Thanxs Jess thats great At least I have something to trawl through lol Many thanxs for your search. Lesley :~)