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Hi Jess Ref: 1861 census John Cook bn 1810 Barrowford. Lancs.Don,t know how I missed spotting your reply having trawled through every reply on thread can only blame it on the problem I.m having with very large text.(or senile decay) This is my man. 'Your,re a Star' Thank you very much. If I could impose on you further,not being familiar with 1861 census returns. Does it show an address ?or just the village. 1871 shows him at the 'Inkermann Inn'Accrington Rd. Habergham Eaves.Lancs.1871 also shows Agnes Cook his wife as born Lancaster. Your 61 Transcription shows born chefles ??Lancs.Sorry to ask but could you possibly clarify these two points. Kind Regards Ron

Ronald have the image in front of me now: The beer shop is all it says, next door to would looks like HUmpty (!) buildings- deff an H at the front! Might be Hump Top... Really duff image! agnes is Transcribed as Born 'Chefles.I would have read it myself as Chefley too-its certainly what it looks like! No Problem , ask away!! Jess

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Jess Ref:John Cook. Thanks again. Possibly empty building ?Have to live with the chefle! The earlier the census the worst the image apparently.could you check another for 1861 please. I have rg10/4151 1871 census Burnley. 132 Rose Valley. James Cowgill hd mar 61 (bn c1810)miner bn Colne,Lancs.Elizabeth Cowgill wife 59 (bn c1812) miners wife bn Habergham Eaves,Burnley.It is probably just this pair in the 1861census but any other family members would be a bonus.Grateful Thanks Ron

Ronald + a son Elizabeth Cowgill abt 1812 Habergham Eaves, Lancashire, England Wife Habergham Eaves Lancashire James Cowgill abt 1810 Habergham Eaves, Lancashire, England Head Habergham Eaves Lancashire >AG LAB John Cowgill abt 1850 Habergham Eaves, Lancashire, England Son Habergham Eaves Lancashire >ERRAND BOY Thomas Dudgeon abt 1833 Emborough, Yorkshire, England Boarder Habergham Eaves Lancashire >MINER the address:not what you said, 7 Alina Place-very clear! ---------------------------------------------------

Hello Jess, would you be kind enough to do a look up for a family called Rowley who lived in Leeds or the suburb of Hunslet in Leeds. In 1915 John Rowley the head of the family was living at 49 Cavalier Street when Rose Ann Moran his daughter married again to Maurice Ingram. Would you look up from 1881 to 1901please? The family that I know of consisted of the Father John Rowley. The mother is believed to be called Rose, but that’s not certain. What is clear is that the daughter’s names were Rose Ann born 1882 but I believe it could have been nearer 1876. Mary E born C1882. Elizabeth born c1877 and Ellen/Helen born c1878. Any help would be appreciated. May I add my thanks to all the research you do for me. You have saved my hours and days of toil searching through the census data at my local library. You are appreciated beyond belief. Thank you Jess

Christopher 1881- Could this be the right family? John Rowley abt 1856 Sherburn, Yorkshire, England Head 45 Little Off Street, Leeds, Yorkshire, England >occ Labourer Kate Rowley abt 1875 Leeds, Yorkshire, England Daughter 45 Little Off Street, Leeds, Yorkshire, England Mary Ellen Rowley abt 1880 Leeds, Yorkshire, England Daughter 45 Little Off Street, Leeds, Yorkshire, England Rose Ann Rowley abt 1877 Leeds, Yorkshire, England Daughter 45 Little Off Street, Leeds, Yorkshire, England Sarah Rowley abt 1857 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Wife 45 Little Off Street, Leeds, Yorkshire, England

Christopher 1891 is proving harder at the moment the one one obvious is Mary Ellen (wonder what she did?) Name: Rowley, Mary Ellen Age in 1891: 11 Estimated birth year: abt 1880 Relation: Pauper Gender: Female Where Born: Leeds, Yorkshire Civil parish: Leeds Ecclesiastical parish: St John Baptist County: Yorkshire Source information: RG12/3696 Registration district: Leeds Sub registration district: North Leeds ED, institution, or vessel: Leeds Moral and Industrial Training School Folio: 142 Page: 5 ------------------------------------- other 3 girls Rowley, Catherine abt 1875 Leeds, Yorkshire Sick Inmate Leeds Yorkshire Rowley, Elizabeth abt 1886 Leeds, Yorkshire Sick Inmate Leeds Yorkshire Rowley, Rose Ann abt 1877 Leeds, Yorkshire Sick Inmate Leeds Yorkshire Source information: RG12/3696 Registration district: Leeds Sub registration district: North Leeds ED, institution, or vessel: Leeds Union Infirmary Folio: 132 Page: 14 ----------------------------------------------------- So presume Mum and dad are somewhere without them!! Johns bith year returns None, and ditto with given birth place. Just yorkshire returns 5 pages of that name. Wife is almost as bad! will move on to 1901 and see if 1891 then becomes more apparent.

Hi Jess.Ref1861 Cowgill.My most grateful Thanks.Ron

Jess, Thank you so much for all your help on the Churchman Family in Ipswich, you found so much in such a short time!!! Sorry I forgot to tell you they were brothers and sisters with the exception of Charles who was a son!! If you have time and it is no trouble any further info on the 1871 census would be great. I think that the Charlotte may have been put in the workhouse because her father died when she was very young, I've come across her in the 1881 census still in the workhouse. Why her older siblings didn't take her in I don't know!! Anyway this newbie gratefully appreciates all your help! Kind regards Lisa

kimberley Major, Richard 1871 June Marriages St Saviour Southwark London Surrey Major, Richard 1873 December Marriages Teesdale Co. Durham North Riding of Yorkshire Major, Richard 1873 December Marriages Chelsea (1841-1981) Greater London London Middlesex Major, Richard 1873 December Marriages St Saviour Southwark London Surrey Major, Richard 1873 September Marriages Bridport Dorset Major, Richard Dampier 1876 March Marriages Bridport Dorset MAJOR, Richard Rowe 1881 September Marriages Penzance Cornwall MAJOR, Richard Stephen 1881 June Marriages Wigan Greater Manchester Lancashire MAJOR, Richard William 1877 June Marriages Sculcoates East Riding of Yorkshire

Lisa- what other info are you hoping for? Jess

Hi Jess, Further to the Churchman Family that you kindly looked up for me, please could you see if the following are in the 1871 census as well? They are all siblings of one another:- Caroline Churchman born c1856, Ipswich, Suffolk Eliza Churchman born c1852, Ipswich, Suffolk John Churchman born c1850, Ipswich, Suffolk William T Churchman born c1858, Ipswich, Suffolk The girls I appreciate may have married and I may have to dig further for details of them but hopefully worth a look anyway, you never know! Thanx in advance, Lisa

Lisa here is the 1861 - dont know if you have it, it was there, so thought i'd post it anyway! 1.Caroline Churchman abt 1856 Ipswich, Suffolk, England Daughter Ipswich St Clement Suffolk 2.Charlotte Churchman abt 1860 Ipswich, Suffolk, England Daughter Ipswich St Clement Suffolk 3.Daniel Churchman abt 1816 Ipswich, Suffolk, England Head Ipswich St Clement Suffolk <--- DAD 4.Daniel Churchman abt 1854 Ipswich, Suffolk, England Son Ipswich St Clement Suffolk 5.Eliza Churchman abt 1852 Ipswich, Suffolk, England Daughter Ipswich St Clement Suffolk 6.John Churchman abt 1850 Ipswich, Suffolk, England Son Ipswich St Clement Suffolk 7.Juila A Churchman abt 1848 Ipswich, Suffolk, England Daughter Ipswich St Clement Suffolk 8.Mary A Churchman abt 1823 Fransden, Suffolk, England Wife Ipswich St Clement Suffolk <---MUM 9.Mary A Churchman abt 1846 Ipswich, Suffolk, England Daughter Ipswich St Clement Suffolk 10.William T Churchman abt 1858 Ipswich, Suffolk, England Son Ipswich St Clement Suffolk

Lisa 1871 picking them off one by one. 1. Name: Caroline Churchman Age: 16 Estimated birth year: abt 1855 Relation: Servant Household:large family of FOX Gender: Female Where born: Ipswich, Suffolk, England 2. Name: Charlotte Churchman Age: 10 Estimated birth year: abt 1861 Gender: Female Where born: Ipswich, Suffolk, England Civil Parish or Township: Ipswich St Peter County/Island: Suffolk Country: England ED, institution, or vessel: Ipswich Union Workhouse These 4 together: Charles Churchman abt 1867 Ipswich, Suffolk, England Son Ipswich Trinity Suffolk <--not with family in 1861 4.Daniel Churchman abt 1854 Ipswich, Suffolk, England Brother Ipswich Trinity Suffolk 7.Julia Churchman abt 1848 Ipswich, Suffolk, England Head Ipswich Trinity Suffolk 10.William Churchman abt 1859 Ipswich, Suffolk, England Brother Ipswich Trinity Suffolk ------------------------------------------------------- guess Eliza married Churchman, Eliza J 1866 December Marriages Woodbridge Suffolk Knights, John 1866 December Marriages Woodbridge Suffolk ----------------------------------------------------- right sort of age to be the demise of Mary A Name: CHURCHMAN, Mary A Record Type: Deaths Age at death: 21 Quarter: December Year: 1866 District: Ipswich County: Suffolk Volume: 4a Page: 355 -------------------------------------------------------- Julia married eventually -Hope she married the Rowland, lets see Beaumont, Ellen 1873 December Marriages Ipswich Suffolk Churchman, Julia 1873 December Marriages Ipswich Suffolk ROWLAND, George William 1873 December Marriages Ipswich Suffolk

Hi Jess What year does your bmd start please? Thanxs lesley :~)

Hi Jess, I have written to you before as regards this family and have just recieved the birth certificate of the lady in question. Eliza Davies (1) married James Herbert Marsden 1896 in Heaton Norris Stockport. They are in 1901 with two children, and Eliza (1) is down as being born in Matlock, Derbyshire. Her father on the marriage cert was Thomas Richard (but looks like Rachel) Davies (desceased--we had a chat about this the other day, I sent for the wrong cert). On Eliza (2)Davies birth cert, her father is Thomas Davies, mother Martha Ann Davies nee Jackson, they lived at Cheadle Bulkeley, Stockport. I have found this Eliza (2) on 1881 and 1891 census The Eliza (1)in 1901 married to James Herbert is correct but I am trying to link her as the same person as Eliza (2). I know this sounds complicated and as there are so many coincidences in name it should be the same person, I am having trouble convincing myself of it though. Hope you can help, we have been part of the way down this route before. Gloria xx

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