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NEW BRICKWALL THREAD FOR 'Hard to find rellies'

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Marlene Report 14 Aug 2005 10:32

Hello All, Elizabeth Potter (Belfast Ireland) married James Donaldson (Errol Perthshire) in Sydney Australia , 3/2/1917, aged 27 years. Marriage certificate states that Elizabeth's father was an Edward Potter (Gardener) (England) was deceased and mother (Unknown deceased)(possibly Irish). Can anyone give me some idea how I can trace Elizabeth's mother and her father? I am only new at all of this!

The Ego

The Ego Report 14 Aug 2005 16:07

Peter(crump) What leads you to birmingham re harriet,and any mention of middle names for her in later info?

The Ego

The Ego Report 14 Aug 2005 19:13

Ive found a few harriet crumps but not born birmingham area. Have found these 2 births though-it is possible that she was born witha different name,and used harriet later,say as a married name,or it was originally a middle name. Lucy Crump Dudley 1839 Sarah ann crump West Brom 1840. Want to persue these? What evidence birmingham?


Sharon Report 18 Aug 2005 19:52



Marie Report 20 Aug 2005 23:21

hi im still looking for John Henry Gater death cert says born 1st August 1893 hampstead. His wedding cert says he was 26 when married to mabel bettyes in 1919. He joined london fusiliers in 1915, left army in 1919. There is no record of birth or on the 1901 census. His father name on marriage cert says frank gater deceased. Ive been searching for 5yrs! Its not the john henry born in holborn 1897 as he died in 1929. Any help will be greatly appreciated


David Report 21 Aug 2005 10:59

Hi Looking for ggrandmother Mary Ann Sykes born c1851 New Brighton Cheshire. Married David Hanna 1871 Leeds. Father John Sykes his occupation potter.


Leeanne Report 21 Aug 2005 11:18

Hi all/..mine is KNOTT William b1829 Westminster father Thomas... Have William in 1861 Census at 25 Pembroke St Caledonian Rd St Mary's Islington......with wife Frances...5 kids and a servant....master printer employing 5 men and 5 boys (W Knott&sons 28 Brooke st Holborn) 1871 Census at 7 Greville St St Andrews Finsbury Holborn Master printer emplo. 4 men 10 boys 1881 35 Halliford st St Mary's Islington Finsbury employing men and boys... Have William in 1854 Gt George ST Bemondsey st James church Surrey..father deceased..occup mariner inconclusive with witnesses to Inconclusive 1851 Possible in 1841....but fathers name doesn't match.... This one is a real conundrum Anything appreciated

The Ego

The Ego Report 21 Aug 2005 11:29

DAVID HANNAY-I have access to local records for that area. But its Sunday!!.....what evidence New Brighton?-later census?


William Report 21 Aug 2005 11:41

I have two people who are one of my biggest brickwalls.I have in my direct Bloodline,a Harriet Mountford born in Shelton Hanley Staffordshire in 1830.On the IGI it states her Parents to be John Mountford and Ann Bishop.As I am keen to expand my Tree,I would welcome any thoughts on this matter. Regards William Russell Jones Cefn Mawr Wrexham.

The Ego

The Ego Report 21 Aug 2005 11:55

William Russell Jones>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is this your lady ? Marriage June 1852 Stoke on Trent 6b 154 Harriet mountford to either George Hackwood or William Cartledge. Having this marriage cert would verify the parent-as you probably know-IGI isnt 100% reliable. SHELTON HANLEY?- they seem to be 2 places,maybe the shelton is part of hanley. If you go to the Staffordshire County Council Site-there is a broad menu and search facility to narrow down the info source-they have an archives section.Dont think they are part ofthe Online parish clerk system yet.


Dea Report 21 Aug 2005 12:27

GGGGGGGGGGRRRrrrrrrrrrrr These 'brick walls' are so B**** high ! - Wouldn't you think that someone on this site would have the same 'brick wall' as you ?????????? Dea x


David Report 21 Aug 2005 12:45

Alter Ego Mary Ann's birthplace is given as New Brighton in 1881 census. Thanks David ps going to work now so won't be back till 11pm.

The Ego

The Ego Report 21 Aug 2005 13:33

RESULTS FOR DAVID HANNAY>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mary Ann Hannay death 1884 aged 34 Sunderland (only death found for this name from 1881>1911) This would explain why I cant find her in 1891 or 1901. david didnt stand still........... He married Louisa Thompson December 1884 Leeds 9b 810 Here is the family in 1891>>>>>>>> David Hannay Head 41 Mar. Machine Fitter born Belfast Ireland. Louisa Hannay Wife 31 mar. William 13 son>his Gertrude 10 daug>his Clara Thompson step daug 9>hers Nellie Thompson step daug 8>hers Alexander son 5>theirs David son 4 months>theirs 16 Lom Street st marys parish hunslet


William Report 21 Aug 2005 14:35

Many thanks for the reply,Harriet did in fact marry William Cartlidge,and of course the problem is with her Parents,they may have died before the 1861 Census. Regards William Russell Jones Cefn Mawr Wrexham.


Star Report 21 Aug 2005 14:59

Hi All this is my brickwall, this all the info i have, hope someone can help MIL knew her gran was called Nellie Edwick. 1901 census Nellie Edwick age 14, mother Rose Edwick age 39 born St Austell, Harry Edwick head age 28 Hairdresser all living at 3 Bramley Rd Hammersmith 1891 census Rose Hoare head widow age 35 Hairdresser, daughter Ellen S Hoare age 5 born hammersmith, servant Harry Edwick age 22 hairdresser address 18 Bramley Rd Hammersmith Have reference for a Charles Hoare death age 39 march 1890 Have Ellen Sarah birth cert 1885 address 18 Bramley rd hammersmith father Charles Hoare hairdresser mother Rose Ellen Hoare formely Hill That is all the info i have, there is a Rose Ellen Hill born cornwall with parents Charlotte and George but it is not mine as in 1891 census she is not married and living with her parents, whereas as above mine is widowed. If anyone can find a possible marriage a) Rose Ellen Hill to Charles Hoare B) ROse Ellen Hoare to Harry Edwick or any more ceusus help i would be grateful or any advice where to look. i do look in everyday so will reply as soon as i can if anyone can help Star


David Report 21 Aug 2005 23:00

Alter Ego, Thanks for the info, I should have told you Mary Ann died 1884 in Sunderland but I was rushing to get to work. Sorry. I would be grateful if you could find her before her marriage to David on 30/7/1871. David

The Ego

The Ego Report 21 Aug 2005 23:22

DAVID HANNAY>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only thing i've come up with so far is a link back to Yorkshire. Sykes seems to be a predominantly Yorkshirename,and suspect that marys stay in New Brighton was short. Leeds and Bradford,Yorkshire area Directory & Gazetter: John Sykes,black earthenware manufacturer,Beeston Road,1853. (sort of Gores Directory) She seems not to be around in Ancestry under the name given,theres a chance that there is a badly transcribed entry somewhere. On my travels earlier spotted a woman entered being 50 months old !!


Unknown Report 21 Aug 2005 23:40

One relative, can't find in 1881. I have all details from her birth to her death, but in 1881 she is gone. EMILY ESTHER SMOOTHY born Richmond, Surrey 18 March 1862. 1871 with parents and siblings 1881 - not at home. Elder sister is in service working in Speldhurst, Kent. 1891 mistranscribed as Emily Timothy working in Paddington as a kitchen maid. 1901 with elder widowed sister in Wandsworth. I am sure Emily would be in service somewhere in 1881 but can't find her despite searching all Emilys born surrey etc. Very grateful to anyone who can help. nell


David Report 22 Aug 2005 00:12

Alter Ego, Thanks again for the info, I agree that Sykes is a Yorkshire name there are thousands of them! Ablack earthenware manufacturer sounds promising. The only birth in cheshire that I can find is, 1846 June qtr. Mary Ann Sykes Wirral xix 371 but the date is wrong unless she lied about her age on her marriage cert. and kept the lie up for the rest of her life. The only reason I can think of is to appear younger than her husband. David


Elaine Report 22 Aug 2005 09:45

Hi Nell, Who are Emilys parents? Elaine x