Genealogy Chat

Patricia, Andrew may not still be watching this thread. It might be better to contact him directly by clicking on his name and sending him a message that you have posted to it. If he still has the same email address then GR will advise him that he has a message.

Sorry, the accident in which James McLean died was 1883 or 4 , not 1893. This was the collision between the Lord Marmion (barque under sail for Valparaiso) and the steamship Alice Bacon off the Mumbles. He was sailing as Mate on this voyage. His son. my great grandfather, was put into the Training Ship Formidable, from which he ran away. My grandfather told me he went round the world twice or thrice. He survived a U Boat attack which sank his vessel in WW1, and an accident in which his own Smack, crewed by himself and my grandfather, caught fire and sank off the Pembrokeshire coast. They came back so far in a leaky boat, bailing out, and then swaminto Broad Haven.

I should add that Selina snr was in the Asylum from 1867 (briefly out in 1868) until her death in 1903 or 4 (I forget which). The Selina who went to the USA was her eldest daughter. There is no connection to the woman who died in Devonport (recent item in this thread). There were other unconnected McLeans in Devon.

I should add that Selina snr was in the Asylum from 1867 (briefly out in 1868) until her death in 1903 or 4 (I forget which). The Selina who went to the USA was her eldest daughter. There is no connection to the woman who died in Devonport (recent item in this thread). There were other unconnected McLeans in Devon.

Hello

There are references to two McLean families here.

Selina and James McLean snr were my great great grandparents. Their son, also James, fathered a large family, referenced here (not the one mentioned containing Olive and Albert). My grandfather was Samuel McLean, known as Robert. There had been another Samuel born, but he died within weeks of birth. My great grandfather James wanted the next son to carry forward the family name Samuel. The male family names were James, then William John, then Samuel. You will see this pattern with James McLean snr , who died in the sea accident 1893.

My grandfather's eldest sisters, Selina Alice and Jane, definitely emigrated to the USA. This is not a myth: there is evidence to validate the family story.The sisters went to Kings, New york. Selina Alice came back and died in the 1970s in Kent. Jane stayed. She sent money back to her family until the Wall St Crash and the Depression. I have a photo of her and her husband sent from the USA. My grandfather. told us she married a man with some hotels. I am aware that one of my grandfather's sisters went to Horsham, but my mother (his daughter, now aged 91) does not remember which one.

I am not sure what the actual query is here, but if I can help, please let me know. If this involves a family in Horsham, then it is like to be the connection with my grandfather's sister (surname McLean) which is relevant.

So....was Selina 1881 in an asylum and went to America as well?

Thank you for this info. I also think the 1884 death was James senior. I have no idea though, as to why people have always said that both Selina (b.1881) and her sister Jane (b.1883) both went to America.

I agree root gatherer I think you are probably right.

Wondering if this is the Alice who died in 1930 with her husband and family in 1911?

Name: Alice McLean
Age in 1911: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Devonport
Civil Parish: Devonport
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Street Address: 48 Monument Street, Devonport
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 9
Estimated Marriage Year: 1902
Registration District: Devonport
Registration District Number: 278
Sub-registration District: St Aubyn
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Household Schedule Number: 354
Piece: 13022
Household Members:
Name Age
Sydney McLean 28
Alice McLean 29
Alice McLean 8
Lilian McLean 6
Olive McLean 4
Edwin McLean 3
Albert McLean 7/12

Do you want the probate of Selinas father James or have you already got it. He died at sea 30th November 1884.

****EDIT****
Not sure now because of the 1911 above but the probate was given to his son James McLean of Brixham, fisherman. He left £229.6.6

I think that the death was for James's father James born c1825

I've only recently started researching family history and found this thread as a consequence. Selina b.1881 WAS the grand daughter of the elder Selina. Family legend has it that the younger Selina and her sister Jane both went to America but I've found nothing to support that. In fact, I've found nothing at all other than birth dates for the two girls...

Andy

1911 on the Welsh census 9 children born, 8 living and 1 died.


Name: William Mc Lean
[William McLean]
Age in 1911: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Brixham, Devon, England
Civil Parish: Milford
County/Island: Pembrokeshire
Country: Wales
Street Address: 22 Brooke Avenue Milford Haven
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Steam Trawling Mate
Registration District: Haverfordwest
Registration District Number: 602
Sub-registration District: Milford
ED, institution, or vessel: 01
Household Schedule Number: 275
Piece: 33175
Household Members:
Name Age
James Mc Lean 50
Emma Mc Lean 48
Robert Mc Lean 16
Carrie Mc Lean 19
Kate Mc Lean 18
Emma Mc Lean 15
Ella Mc Lean 10
William Mc Lean 24

I wonder if her death was recorded as Alice S.


Name: Alice S McLean
Birth Date: abt 1883
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1930
Age at Death: 47
Registration District: Devonport
Inferred County: Devon
Volume: 5b
Page: 416

Firstly have you got any more info since 2005 if so can you add it to this thread to save people looking for stuff you already have.

I think whoever said that the Selina in the asylum could be her grandmother is right. Your Selina's father James was born in 1859 and is the son of James and Selina Alice McLean and she is the same one as in the asylum aged 73.

On the 1891 census your Selina is down as Alice.

The rest of the family in 1901 minus father James and Selina


Name: Emma McLean
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation: Wife
Gender: Female
Where born: Portsmouth, Hampshire, England
Civil Parish: Brixham
Ecclesiastical parish: Lower Brixham All Saints
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View Image
Registration District: Totnes
Sub-registration District: Brixham
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 121
Piece: 2066
Folio: 144
Page Number: 19
Household Members:
Name Age
Emma McLean 39
Mary McLean 17
Lily McLean 15
Carrie McLean 9
Kate McLean 8
Robert McLean 6
Emma McLean 5
Ella McLean 6 Months

Andrew

I doubt it!!!

There's been no postings in 8 years

Why did you raise it?

Anyone still here interested in this thread...?

Dear Sheleen Selina Alice was reg. in the December quarter of 1881, ref 5b/179 in Totnes. She was the second child of James and Emma. I can't find any marriage to Gifford for her or any other record including death. I just can't understand why I cannnot find any of the others on the 1901 census site either! There are enough of them to be conspicuous! Abigail

Dear Helen It's possible but there was another gap between children earlier on. James and Emma had James Selina Alice Mary and Jane (twins) Lily William John (1886) and then Caroline Lavinia (1891) (Carrie) Kate Robert Emma and then the gap till Ella, so I am not sure. I would just like to find out where Selina was and maybe what else happened to her. Until a year ago William John was my brick wall! Thanks Abigail

Have you considered this - look at your family in 1901 Emma Mclean 39 Portsmouth, Hampshire, England Wife Brixham Devon Mary Mclean 17 Brixham, Devon, England Daughter Brixham Devon Lily Mclean 15 Brixham, Devon, England Daughter Brixham Devon Carrie Mclean 9 Brixham, Devon, England Daughter Brixham Devon Kate Mclean 8 Brixham, Devon, England Daughter Brixham Devon Robert Mclean 6 Brixham, Devon, England Son Brixham Devon Emma Mclean 5 Brixham, Devon, England Daughter Brixham Devon Ella Mclean 6 months Brixham, Devon, England Daughter Brixham Devon Deliberately left the gap before Ella. What if she wasn't a daughter but really a grandaughter? Selina may have been an unmarried mother and 'put away' as many were, but her family took on the child. It just caught my eye because there was quite a gap to the last child.

Just a thought, the older Selina in the asylum in 1901, she wasn't young Selina's Grandmother was she, these thing might run in families!