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The tree looks superb! Well done, all concerned!

The tree has been updated with the information received from certificates plus a back log of research emails - so please take a look it now contains over 400 individuals.

I’m looking for help with some of the research currently on the table – so if you can spare us some time and have access to BDMs (GR, findmypast or what ever) from 1920s to date (well 2005) and are prepared to trawl the registers then please PM me.

Want to see the tree - then please PM me

Many thanks

Update – as promised albeit a day or so late – my day job does get in the way sometimes but it does pay the bills!!??

The following certificates arrived (still some to come) and we have now confirmed both the ancestry and descendant links.

Marriage between Winifred Ellen Gertrude Hayes and Arthur Clinton Fairchild

1951 marriage at St Stephen’s Church Paddington - London

24th March 1951

Arthur Clinton Fairchild – 25 – Bachelor – Commercial Traveller – Ledbury Road London W11 Father: Arthur Charles Edward Fairchild - Upholsterer

Winifred Ellen Gertrude Hayes – 25 – Spinster – Typist – Sutherland Place W1 – Father John Hayes (Deceased) Engine Fitter

Married at said church according to the rites and ceremonies of the established church after banns by me

Witnesses: William Hayes and Alice L Fairchild

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Marriage between Ernest Henry Lowe and Bertha Teresa Wilson

1939 marriage at St Michaels Catholic Church Westmoreland Road Newcastle

26th December 1939

Ernest Henry Lowe – 27 – Bachelor – Millwright – Mill Lane Newcastle Father: Ernest Henry Lowe Master Grocer

Bertha Teresa Wilson – 30 – Spinster – No occupation – Matilda Street Newcastle Father James Anthony Wilson (Deceased) Mate (Mercantile Marine)

Married in the St Michaels Catholic Church according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the Roman Catholics

Witnesses: James Norman Lowe and Lillian Lowe

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Death Certificate

Charles Anthony Hayes

22 April 1989 – New Forest

Date & Place of Birth: 2nd June 1920 Newcastle Upon Tyne
Retired Factory Worker – New Milton

Name of Informant: Mary Hayes – Daughter

Personal details have been omitted

This gives us a new lead – which will be investigated during this week.

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I’ll post a separate msg on the tree and a research request

Thanks
Rachel

Update

Just to let you all know what's been going on. Number of certificates were ordered and arrived - the details were posted earlier in the week.

We have now confirmed eight of Theresa Silmon (Wilson/Hayes') children - with another two as ‘strong’ possibles - awaiting confirmation.

One of the birth certs ordered proved to have no connection and the tree will be adjusted accordingly - a separate post will be made when that's complete.

We subsequently, ordered more, in order to validate a few key marriages and a death cert (hoping for a spouse or child to be the informant to give us a lead) but unfortunately they didn’t arrive as hoped (Friday) so fingers crossed for Monday (pretty please Mr Postman). Once these arrive a number of new lines of research will become apparent.

Hot Matches came through and emails sent to possible connects - will have to see what these bring. One in particular has already proved to be a positive connection, who has been able to fill in some gaps.

Postman permitting – I’ll give another update tomorrow

Thanks
Rachel

Hi Paul

I've sent you a copy of the pdf re the above marriage. I have a few more names to add now so will send you an update soon.

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Hello All,
I'd like to check a marriage detail which may be connected to the family that is recorded in the London Times Marriages 1982 - 2004
If anyone would be able to do this for me I'd would be grateful if you could email me off line.
Many thanks
Paul

With regards the Barrow marriage/link... if there's anything you need looking up, I'm there... It would be good to be able to contribute something to the project. Just let me know, but allow at least 10 days as I'm away.

Liz

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God bless you all

If you like to see the 'Patricia Armstrong - A Sad Little Tale' tree PM me and I'll give you access.
Thanks

Wish i could get on the site to have a look

A nudge to catch up with part 1

The tree has been updated with all this information - so please take a look. Our efforts are now concentrating on identifying the (numerous) children of Theresa Silmon and her two husbands: for details see the tree.

A not so easy task as four, possibly five, children were born prior to mothers maiden name appearing in the registers. Some names have been eliminated due to closeness of confirmed births or certificates purchased that have confirmed that assumptions were just that – assumptions!!

We have more certificates on order to confirm links – which are due later this week.

Thanks to everyone for your support, encouragement and research help – this has been invaluable in helping identify new lines of investigation.

If you'd like to see the tree please PM me.

Many thanks

Update third of three updates

Marriage between Francis Henry Silmon and Norah Rogan

1929 – At St Patrick’s Church, Barrow Island

30 November 1929
Francis Henry Silmon – 25 years – Bachelor – Shipwright – 96 Ferry Road, Barrow Father: Frank Henry Silmon – Forman Driller (Shipyard)

Norah Rogan – 21 years – Spinster – No occupation – 95 Ferry Road, Barrow
Father: William Rogan – Wireworks Labourer

Married at St Patrick’s Church according the Rites and Ceremonies of the Roman Catholics by Certificate by me

Witnesses: Thomas Rogan & Eileen Rogan

This confirms both the ancestry and descendant links.

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Marriage between William Osman Weld Silmon and Jane Elliott Potts

1937 St Dominics Church Red Barns (sp?) Newcastle upon Tyne

6 February 1937

William Osman Weld Silmon – 30 years – Bachelor – Shipyard Plumber – 62 Blackwell Avenue Newcastle; Father: Frank Henry Silmon – Forman Driller

Jane Elliott Potts – 32 years – Spinster – no occupation – 2 Hannington Street Newcastle Father: John Bagnall Potts – General Labourer

Married at St Dominics Church according the Rites and Ceremonies of the Roman Catholics by Certificate by me

Witnesses: T. G. Lishman and E. B. Scott

This confirms both the ancestry and descendant links.

Thanks
Rachel

Second of Three Updates

Marriage between James Anthony Wilson and Theresa Amina Weld Silmon

1904 at St Michaels Catholic Church Plumber Street Newcastle upon Time

16 February 1904

James Anthony Wilson – 23 years – Bachelor – Insurance Agent – 30 Fenham Road Newcastle Father: Anthony Wilson (Deceased) – Bricklayer

Theresa Amina Weld Silmon 21 Years – Spinster – No Occupation - 68 De Grey Street Newcastle – Father: William Weld Silmon – Caretaker

Married at St Michaels Catholic Church according the Rites and Ceremonies of the Roman Catholics by Certificate by me

Witnesses: William Weld Silmon & Ann Ellen Pasola


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Marriage between Francis Henry Silmon and Norah Rogan

1929 – At St Patrick’s Church, Barrow Island

30 November 1929
Francis Henry Silmon – 25 years – Bachelor – Shipwright – 96 Ferry Road, Barrow Father: Frank Henry Silmon – Forman Driller (Shipyard)

Norah Rogan – 21 years – Spinster – No occupation – 95 Ferry Road, Barrow
Father: William Rogan – Wireworks Labourer

Married at St Patrick’s Church according the Rites and Ceremonies of the Roman Catholics by Certificate by me

Witnesses: Thomas Rogan & Eileen Rogan

This confirms both the ancestry and descendant links.


Thanks
Rachel

Update
The postman arrived laden with certificates – so here’s the first a three updates

Confirmation of William Armstrong’s birth

Born 30th May 1910 at 3 Turner Street Amble
Father: Rendel Armstrong – Fireman on a Boat
Mother: Isabella Armstrong formerly Fisher
Informant: I. Armstrong, Mother, 3 Turner Street Amble

This now confirms William’s birth details and that to join the army he increased his age by one year – not unusual.

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Marriage between Francis Henry Weld Silmon and Mary Gaffney

1903 – At St Andrews Catholic Church Worowick(sp?) Street Newcastle upon Tyne

12 December 1903
Francis Henry Weld Silmon – 20 years- Bachelor – Iron Driller – 68 De Grey Street Newcastle – Father: William Weld Silmon – Caretaker

Mary Gaffney – 19 years – Spinster – No occupation – 176 Pilgrim Street Newcastle – Father: John Gaffney - Labourer

Married at St Dominics Church according the Rites and Ceremonies of the Roman Catholic Church by Certificate by me

Witnesses: Michael Joseph Gaffney & Theresa Silmon

Yes – that is correct two different churches mentioned on the certificate

This confirms both the ancestry and descendant links.

Thanks
Rachel

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