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A Sad Little Tale - Part 2 (Closed)

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Mummy Bear

Mummy Bear Report 9 Sep 2007 20:41


Just to let you all know what's been going on. Number of certificates were ordered and arrived - the details were posted earlier in the week.

We have now confirmed eight of Theresa Silmon (Wilson/Hayes') children - with another two as ‘strong’ possibles - awaiting confirmation.

One of the birth certs ordered proved to have no connection and the tree will be adjusted accordingly - a separate post will be made when that's complete.

We subsequently, ordered more, in order to validate a few key marriages and a death cert (hoping for a spouse or child to be the informant to give us a lead) but unfortunately they didn’t arrive as hoped (Friday) so fingers crossed for Monday (pretty please Mr Postman). Once these arrive a number of new lines of research will become apparent.

Hot Matches came through and emails sent to possible connects - will have to see what these bring. One in particular has already proved to be a positive connection, who has been able to fill in some gaps.

Postman permitting – I’ll give another update tomorrow


Mummy Bear

Mummy Bear Report 11 Sep 2007 14:17

Update – as promised albeit a day or so late – my day job does get in the way sometimes but it does pay the bills!!??

The following certificates arrived (still some to come) and we have now confirmed both the ancestry and descendant links.

Marriage between Winifred Ellen Gertrude Hayes and Arthur Clinton Fairchild

1951 marriage at St Stephen’s Church Paddington - London

24th March 1951

Arthur Clinton Fairchild – 25 – Bachelor – Commercial Traveller – Ledbury Road London W11 Father: Arthur Charles Edward Fairchild - Upholsterer

Winifred Ellen Gertrude Hayes – 25 – Spinster – Typist – Sutherland Place W1 – Father John Hayes (Deceased) Engine Fitter

Married at said church according to the rites and ceremonies of the established church after banns by me

Witnesses: William Hayes and Alice L Fairchild


Marriage between Ernest Henry Lowe and Bertha Teresa Wilson

1939 marriage at St Michaels Catholic Church Westmoreland Road Newcastle

26th December 1939

Ernest Henry Lowe – 27 – Bachelor – Millwright – Mill Lane Newcastle Father: Ernest Henry Lowe Master Grocer

Bertha Teresa Wilson – 30 – Spinster – No occupation – Matilda Street Newcastle Father James Anthony Wilson (Deceased) Mate (Mercantile Marine)

Married in the St Michaels Catholic Church according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the Roman Catholics

Witnesses: James Norman Lowe and Lillian Lowe


Death Certificate

Charles Anthony Hayes

22 April 1989 – New Forest

Date & Place of Birth: 2nd June 1920 Newcastle Upon Tyne
Retired Factory Worker – New Milton

Name of Informant: Mary Hayes – Daughter

Personal details have been omitted

This gives us a new lead – which will be investigated during this week.


I’ll post a separate msg on the tree and a research request



Patricia Report 11 Sep 2007 14:53

The tree has been updated with the information received from certificates plus a back log of research emails - so please take a look it now contains over 400 individuals.

I’m looking for help with some of the research currently on the table – so if you can spare us some time and have access to BDMs (GR, findmypast or what ever) from 1920s to date (well 2005) and are prepared to trawl the registers then please PM me.

Want to see the tree - then please PM me

Many thanks


Woody's Report 11 Sep 2007 16:55

The tree looks superb! Well done, all concerned!

Mummy Bear

Mummy Bear Report 11 Sep 2007 20:37



Carole Report 12 Sep 2007 10:12

nudging for later


Laura Report 12 Sep 2007 15:15

nudging for later


♥Deetortrainingnewfys♥ Report 13 Sep 2007 15:34

Tree looking great, much easier to follow the family now!

Don't want to sound picky, but would all those people who have nudged the thread up go back and delete your nudges from time to times as it makes reading and following the thread very hard when you want to catch up with how things are going.

I'm sure others would agree with me, but I don't want to spoil any interest to this very successful thread!

Many thanks


Helen Report 14 Sep 2007 12:33

nudging up.

I tried deleting the nudge but it sent the thread straight back to page 6 where it was.



Madmeg Report 15 Sep 2007 00:53

With 14 pages now on this, can someone tell me what it is about - it must be interesting!



Patricia Report 15 Sep 2007 09:32


Have a look at the very first post and follow the web link which will give you a summary.

Many thanks

Mummy Bear

Mummy Bear Report 15 Sep 2007 10:26

The following certificates arrived and we have now confirmed both the ancestry and descendant links.

Death Certificate

Leo Anthony Wilson

4th September 1978 - Crawley

Date & Place of Birth: 17th November 1906 Newcastle Upon Tyne
Post Office Engineer (Retired)

Name of Informant: Norman Anthony Wilson - Son

Personal details have been omitted

Wilson being a widespread surname – has been a challenge, especially when Leo’s wife surname is Brown. Leo born and married in Newcastle, died in Crawley, West Sussex; the son mentioned in the death certificate was born in London. So as you can imagine the combinations for researching this line are huge. Each quarter in the birth index has 5 or 6 pages (that’s 20-24 pages for one year!!) and when you don’t know the first name or the location it’s a trawl – but that’s what Genealogy research is all about.


Death Certificate

Norman Michael Wilson

12th October 1986 - Newcastle

Date & Place of Birth: 10th September 1910 Newcastle Upon Tyne
Businessman of Heaton, Newcastle

Name of Informant: Charles Anthony Hayes – Half Brother

Personal details have been omitted

Did Norman – marry? was he a widower (not mentioned on the cert), did he have any children; was his half brother who was living in New Milton Hampshire, some 350 miles from Newcastle his next of kin; what had happened to all his other siblings; full & half.

Still a number of unanswered question and multiple avenues to explore.

I'll post again when the tree's been updated - shortly



Patricia Report 15 Sep 2007 14:14

I'm having a problem uploading an updated tree, the GEDCOM goes through OK but is showing six more individuals than are in the master tree and showing some very odd relationships/connections.

Please bear with me whilst I try and sort this out

Teddys Girl

Teddys Girl Report 15 Sep 2007 18:36

What am I doing wrong I keep putting in the website that is given for patricia armstrong, but cant find where to look for her, when it comes up.
Know am stupid. but Help.

Teddys Girl

Teddys Girl Report 15 Sep 2007 18:43

Silly girl, looking at it again, I did not have the two webweb in.
Now put this on my favourites. Such a story.
Know hubby will read and be interested.


Patricia Report 16 Sep 2007 10:28

The tree is has been updated, however, there is a more general problem with trees on here at the moment - showing some very odd relationship connections!??!?!

Others are also having the same problem - see other threads.

Lost for Words ;-)

Lost for Words ;-) Report 17 Sep 2007 23:17

Looks like the tree is back to normal now and it's looking fantastic.


Patricia Report 18 Sep 2007 18:05

An updated tree has been loaded.


Sue Report 18 Sep 2007 18:48

Thankyou for letting me view Patricia's tree.
What a fantastic effort you have all made. The tree looks great, well done everyone.



Patricia Report 20 Sep 2007 22:29

After making contact with a relative of Patricia's - the tree has been updated.

Will post again after current lines of investigation are completed.