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Gillian Report 15 Oct 2007 16:20

Does anyone know of Ernest Mann -Leicester
born 1900/01 to Walter James Mann & Ada Mann (nee Rutter)? When did he die? Did he have any brothers/sisters?
OR his children? Edna 1923/Ruby 1924/Muriel 1925/ Alexander 1930? - (any others)?
Ernest's Dad, Walter, was my grandad (by his 2nd marriage to Annie Kilby (nee Fowkes). Does anyone have any info that could be of help to me about Ernest/Walter or their families please.

pammie p

pammie p Report 15 Oct 2007 09:41

Hi mike, could you look up marrage of Hilda Trigg and w Cory[william or walter] they had there first child in 1921 think they lived near warf st so it could be a church near there . cannot find births for either or marrage but know there son raymond[11/8/1923 ]was my late father in law.any help would be much apprecated. thanks pam


Gillian Report 12 Oct 2007 09:26

Thank you so much Bev - you have however, revealed another mystery - as my gran Annie Kilby (nee Fowkes) had a son, Robert Kilby in 1917 - 3 yrs after Herbert, her husband died (?) - I know that Annies daughetr Irene( my mum) was born in 1922 and Annie married Irene's father in 1927 - Walter Mann. But who then was Roberts Father???
ps -please excuse my ignorance, bu t who is Mike?


Beverly Report 11 Oct 2007 21:59

Hi Gillian
There was only 2 Herbert Frank Kilby on Ancestry
One birth 1886 Leicester Vol 7a Page 240 the other 1910 .
On the death i found of Herbert F Kilby it said estimated birth 1886 Death being 1914. So i would imagine that is the one .
For the other info you asked Mike might help as he knows more about it then me
Best wishes Bev


Gillian Report 11 Oct 2007 14:05

Thanks Bev
What info will show up on a death certificate? how can I check to see if this IS him?
It may not be him as my gran had a child 1st qtr 1917 Robert Kilby .
How could this be? unless Robert (like my mum-Irene b1922), was Walter Manns child also. How can I confirm any of these details? will there be other records that can be cross referenced anywhere?


Beverly Report 11 Oct 2007 13:58

Hi Gillian
There is a Death of a Herbert F Kilby 1914 Leicester
Vol 7a Page 200
Best wishes Bev


Gillian Report 11 Oct 2007 11:56

Annie Kilby (nee Fowkes) DID marry Walter J.Mann 2nd qtr 1927.
What happened to Herbert Kilby her 1st husband? - Anyone know please?
How many children did Annie & Herbert have & who were they & how many children did Annie & Walter have & who were they????
Any help very gratefully received.


Gillian Report 11 Oct 2007 11:10

Wow- Thanks to the kind generosity of others, I have found quite a bit of info:
It appears that Annie Fowkes married Herbert Frank Kilby in 1909 - no idea when he died ( anyone know)?
I know of 4 children ( probably there are others-anyone know)? Dec1911 Leonard Kilby, Dec 1913 George Kilby, 1st qtr 1917 Robert Kilby, July 1922 Irene Kilby (my mum) Irene was enterd on the birth regististrations as Irene Kilby, then in 1934 Dec- re-entered (handwritten) as
Irene Mann (?). was my mum addopted by Mr Mann? were any of Annies other children adopted as a 'Mann' ? Did Annie re-marry a Mr Mann? - if so when? When was he born /died? what happened to Herbert Kilby? Did Annie have other children? Whooo are they?
Anyone willing to help sove the mystery please???? Thank you


MaryfromItaly Report 10 Oct 2007 16:05

Can't find a Mann-Fowkes marriage in 1934, and it takes ages to look through the Ancestry full index. I have to do some work now - does anyone else have time to have a look?


MaryfromItaly Report 10 Oct 2007 16:04

If you have the right age and maiden name for Annie, this looks like her on the 1901 census:

Name: Annie Fowkes
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1892
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John T
Mother's Name: Susan
Gender: Female
Where born: Leicester, Leicestershire, England

Civil Parish: Leicester Formerly St Leonard
Ecclesiastical parish: Leicester St Leonard
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England

Street address: 28 Littleton Street, Leicester

Registration district: Leicester
Sub-registration district: North West Leicester
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 132

Household Members:
Name Age
Annie Fowkes 9
Ethel Fowkes 3
Florry Fowkes 7
John T Fowkes 49, labourer in wool factory
Susan Fowkes 46
Susan Fowkes 11


MaryfromItaly Report 10 Oct 2007 15:48

Hi Gillian,

I've made a start on solving the mystery.

I've found two birth registrations for your mum.

There's a handwritten entry at the bottom of the page in the 3rd quarter of 1922 for Irene E Mann, mother's maiden name Fowkes, registered in Leicester. The GRO reference is hard to read, but I think it's " 7a see D. '34 " (presumably a reference to December 1934).

Then there's a typewritten entry in the 4th quarter of 1934, again for Irene E Mann, mother's maiden name Fowkes, registered in Leicester, reference no. 7a 250.

My guess is that your mum was originally registered under another surname, Annie married Mr Mann in 1934, and your mum's birth was re-registered under his surname. Not sure whether she would have to be formally adopted to do that.

Are you sure Fowkes was Annie's maiden name, or could that have been her first husband's name? I'm wondering because I can't find a birth in 1922 for Irene Fowkes.

Now looking for a Mann-Fowkes marriage around 1934.


Gillian Report 10 Oct 2007 12:22

Fowkes / mann Family - Leicester

Hi am trying to trace my mothers (now passed away) family. Especially, I am trying to find out about my grandmother, her husband and her children ( my aunts & uncles).

I have looked on the obvious web-sites, but am struggling. I know that My grandma was born Annie Fowkes 12.02.1892 in Leicester & died 4th qtr 1971 in Leicester, I was 12/13yrs old.
She had several children including my mum, Irene Mann ( so she must have married a Mann).

My mum was born 13.07.1922 and died 19.10.1977. I recall my uncle Len, Leonard Mann/Fowkes, who I believe was possibly older than my mum. He lived in Leicester all his life and I know had a son/sons and very liitle money as he was living in 'digs' I remember that he enjoyed grayhound racing!
My mum told me that he was her step-brother(?).
I remember visiting once, an aunt who had several children including a daughter about the same age as me- somewhere also in Leicester/shire. I also remember Syston being mention, but know nothing of a family conncetion here.

Can you/ anyone offer me any advice / help at all? I have hit a brick wall.
Thank you


LorraineG Report 9 Oct 2007 07:35

Thanks Mike I didn't realise the records office was closed.

English Bob

English Bob Report 8 Oct 2007 20:40

nudge for a great thread, Bob

***Rose Tea***

***Rose Tea*** Report 8 Oct 2007 18:41

thank you mike for the info on benjamin cant
sorry it took so long to check back,
tina x

Mike. The Leicester Lad.(GC)

Mike. The Leicester Lad.(GC) Report 8 Oct 2007 18:28

*** F.A.O. *** ...... Lorraine.

My search will continue this week
now the Records Office is open again after their stock take


Mike. The Leicester Lad.(GC)

Mike. The Leicester Lad.(GC) Report 8 Oct 2007 18:24

Nudged up for Geoffrey ....


LorraineG Report 6 Oct 2007 07:51

Hi Mike

I was wondering if you had managed to find anything on my ancestor David Robinson. If you are unable to please don't wory.

"Hi Mike

I am trying to find David Robinson born in Leicester in approx 1827. From his marriage certificate to Jane Bradley 21/8/1848 in Parish Church, Dewsbury, York it says his father is John Robinson and that he is a soldier. David is down as a traveller. I have been unable to locate a baptism for him. There are two David Robinsons born this year in Leicester. For information he was blind in one eye and on the 1881 census he is down as blind and a photographer!!!

Would appreciate any help.



and your reply

Greeting’s & Welcome Lorraine…….

Nothing showing up……… just yet

Having tracked him back 81. through to 61.

Just wonder why his surname changed on the 1871.Census
To..... Robinson ~ Welsh ?

If his Father was a Soldier then I need to checkout
the Parish Registers for St. Mary’s which the Barracks came under.
Unfortunately my St. Mary’s Baptism resources only go up to 1820.
So it’s down to a Records Office search sometime this week.
I’ll report back on this thread which ever way it goes.

MIKE. xx


Beverly Report 5 Oct 2007 10:31

just nudging it up the board

Mike. The Leicester Lad.(GC)

Mike. The Leicester Lad.(GC) Report 2 Oct 2007 23:08

*** F.A.O. *** ……… Joyce O’ Holland.

Well we did not Win or Loose….Ah well.


William.Tyler. c 1841.
Was he in the Camouflage Section of the Army ? ….lol. :0)))

After the 1851. Census William does not show up till 1881.
Then goes walkies again after that one too.

William’s Father :~ John. ………:~

John Tyler. ~ Rebecca Marlow.
16th. November. 1835.
All Saints Parish Church.
By Banns.

Stays in Slawson most of his life.
His Occupation remains an. .... Ag. Lab.
no sign of him being a Game keeper
Poetic Licence on Williams part ?

1861. = RG. 9. / 2309./ 76./Page. 8.

Rebecca Dies sometime between 1861. ~ 71.

1871. = RG 10./ 3304./ 81./ Page. 2.

Interesting John is living next door to a George Marlow on the 81. Census

1881. = RG. 11. / 3189. / 71. / Page. 7. = John Tyler..
1881. = RG 11. / 3189. / 70. / Page. 6. = George Marlow.

I’ll confirm the important events
Once the Records Office reopens Next week.