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Greeting’s again Jackie

Details from 1851. Census returns
HO 107 / 2090. / 425. / Page. 29.
Leicester.
St. Mary’s Parish.

Gray Street.

WILLIAM BRANSTON Head M 36 M Labourer Lei FLECKNEY
ELIZABETH BRANSTON Wife M 40 F Factory Work Lei Leicester
ANN BRANSTON Dau 6 F Scholar Lei Leicester
WILLIAM BRANSTON Son 4 M Lei Leicester
ELIZABETH BRANSTON Dau 7days F Lei Leicester

MIKE.

Mike
Require your help again please.
I have death certificate for JOSEPH TOMKINS son of 'HENRY' TOMKINS 199 Birstall St, Joseph lived for 3 days only and was buried 30th May 1883.
My query is, the census for 1881/1891 show occupant of 199 Birstall St as GEORGE HENRY TOMKINS and in 1883 had a daughter GERTRUDE could Joseph have been a son of GEORGE HENRY and a possible twin to GERTRUDE?. GEORGE HENRY later lost two other infants buried in plot T891 at Welford Rd but JOSEPH buried in plot S2908. Unless you can see the obvious answer, could you please check parish records for birth parents of JOSEPH?.
Regards
Jon O'Kent

***F.A.O.*** Linda

Greeting’s again Linda.

I don’t want you to think I had forgotten your latest query
Thomas, Father to Ann Bond who married Thomas Gent.

I did recheck the Parish Registers again this week
And sort the second opinion of someone from the Records Office
As to the surname of Ann’s Father on the Marriage Registers.

They seem to think it is NOT Jaques but could well be Joynes.
The tail of the Y was going the other way which made me think it was a Q
Or could be Joines or Joiners.
Difficult when your looking at hand writing and Signatures

At the moment I’m trawling through the Census returns using the New surnames......
.
Depending on the results I find.
I then will check out Parish Baptisms at the Records Office and report back on this thread.

MIKE.

hi
i,m looking for mary simmons c1764 of shawell who married phillip hewitt c 1760-1819 of shawell. Also alexander edwards born 22/06/1900, i believe he died young in motercycle crash. Also looking for a marriage between william astill c1757 & sarah c 1767 of shawell, have looked everywhere i can think of for further info on these people
marcie x

Hi Mike

Thanks again
Linda

Greeting’s & Welcome……… Marcie

Confirmation of Marriage :~

Phillip Hewitt. Mary Simmons.
23rd. October. 1787.
All Saints Parish Church.
Shawell, Leicestershire
By Banns.
Wit’s :~
James Sedge. John Ward.

Baptisms of Siblings to Mary.
With Parents Edward & Mary Simmons.
All Saints Shawell.

William. 15th. Aug. 1762.
Mary. 8th. Mar. 1764.
Edward. 1st. April.1765
Sarah. 22nd.Nov. 1767.
Nathaniel. 18th.May. 1773. Buried 17th. Nov. 1773.
Lydia. 7th. May. 1775.
Nathaniel. 13th. Oct. 1777.

Plus this one :~
Edward. ( Baseborn child. ? ) 1st.Apr. 1777.Father :~ Edward Simmons.

Simmons Burials found :~

All Saints Parish Church.
Shawell, Leicestershire.

Edward Simmons
26th. Feb. 1803.
Died in consequences of drinking too much Spirits.

Edward Simmons.
26th. March.1804.
Hung Himself
Verdict :~ Lunacy.

I could only find a ref to an Alexander Edwards c 1900
Jul. ~ Aug. ~ Sept. Qrt. 1900.
Cert. No. 7a. 295.

1901. Census returns
RG 13. / 2989. / 165. / Page.
Leicester.
Christchurch Parish.
Formally St. Margaret’s Parish.

No. 30. Alfred Terrace.
Agnes Edward. Head Mar. 26. b Scotland.
David. Son. 4. b Ireland.
Alexander. 11 Months Old. b Leicester.

Sorry could not see anything for William Astill & Sarah. ?

Hope this is of some help.

MIKE.

Welcome Back ….Tracey

I need the last piece of the equation in order to pin point the right people

Can you state the years of birth of both the Mary Alice Wright’s.
Plus…… If possible the place of birth for both of them . ?

Or can you state the Ref No’s for the 1901. censuses returns
you have found them on.

Thanks in anticipation.

MIKE. xx

Hello Mike, I am still monitoring your threads, just in case I spot one of your customers that may have a link for my Cooke’s. I believe I can comment that you seem to have increased your stock of research CD’s.

So nearly two years on I’m going to beg of you to take another look for the infamous Thomas Cooke, yes the one who states he was born Loughborough 1824 in three census 1851,61,71. I still haven’t been able to find this birth in PR’s.

You may remember that I have him married to Eleanor Stoppard in 1846 and his father was a Thomas also and is given as a Coachman on the marriage certificate. I have everything going forward, much of which was your help, but can’t get back without a birth for him or a marriage for his father. The Loughborough connection is my only lead.

I did spend a year tracing a Thomas Cooke born Rempstone to a Thomas, an innkeeper. PR’s certs the whole shebang! But this family turned out to be a parallel life....damn.

Please no panic and don’t batter your brains but for a re-appraisal look I would be grateful success or not.

Best ever regards, keep up the good work, I’ll keep reading.

Bob in Pompey .

P.S My tree is now on tribalpages, if you think it useful I can PM you the user name & password, you may even be impressed!

*** F.A.O.*** Jon O’ Kent.

I will try and find Baptism details for your Joseph
But have a feeling that due to Joseph being only three days old.
When buried I doubt if there was time to Baptise him.
Taking in to account that those dates covered the Whitsun Holiday time.

It would have to be a Private Baptism by either the Priest or Midwife.
Which just might be in the Registers.

This would explain why Joseph was buried in Non consecrated ground.
( Not being Baptised )

Along with 40 other Still born or had not reached one year old.
Including a still born with the same surname as my self.

But I will try to find Joseph……
Have you tried ordering Joseph's birth cert.
Apr. May. Jun Qrt. 1883
Leicester.
7a. 240.

MIKE.

Mike
Many thanks for your detailed comments, had not considered the baptism and burial details, will bear that in mind for the future,
Regards
Will send off for certificate.
Jon O'Kent

Hi Mike

The mother was born in Bridgham, Norfolk in 1853 and the daughter Fring in Norfolk in 1878.

Thank you
Tracey

Mike, just noticed you have put Mary Alice when it should be Alice Mary, lol !!

Mothers ref. is RG13, 3001, 136, pg 7, sch 7

Dau ref is RG13, 3006. 152, pg 12 sch 77

I hope that is the ref. you mean?

Thanks Mike

Greeting’s Again Tracey……..

Whoops …tis me age you know …lol :0))))

Re Alice M. Aged 22. niece

Now can you confirm that it is NORFOLK
Index as it down as Hampshire
Image as it Norfolk crossed out and Herts added …..????

“ 15 All “ …….lol

MIKE.xx

I had found Alice Snr in the Workhouse
was struggling on her Daughter !!!

hi mike
many thanks for the info, i did manage to visit shawell (blow me the church was shut) many moons ago, found 3 three simmons buried in a row, stood on one grave to take a photo of the others, unforunately rabits had burrowed underneath, i went down to my knees, puts a whole new meaning on meet the ancestors, appreciate your help, & if you find any sarah's born in shawell c1767, i,d appreciate it
regard marcie x

Hi Mike

I know it says Hants but it is definitely Norfolk, I have been to the village and seen family graves etc.. I was hoping a burial might show up in Leicester but I suppose they could have gone back to Norfolk, having said that there must have been a fall-out otherwise why is mum in the workhouse and not living with daughter and her uncle??

Any help much appreciated

Tracey x

Greeting’s Again Tracey……

No Alice Wright Burials in Welford Road up to 1950………
Will check out other Parishes around at the time.

Shame You did not ask last week I had the original Workhouse
Admission & Discharge Book 1901 onwards
But can always reorder it out again at the Records Office
This might give us some clues as too her condition on admission.
And why she left the Workhouse.

I see Alice maiden name was RIVETT
I have traced both Families back till 1861.

Seems the rot might have set in 1871 ~ 81.
when William took over the Farm in Fring.
Plus why was Charles a retired Farmer aged just 36 in 1891. ?

Time to blow out the candle me thinks ...<3 II ~

MIKE.xx

HI Mike

Thanks for looking for me. Alices's maiden name was Houchen not Rivett, where did you get that from?

I have checked the workhouse records and found where she went in and came out which was voluntarily, there wasn't any more info. than that.

The Wright family (Alice's husband and Charles ) were successful farmers but farming in Norfolk went pearshaped around the 1880's so they must have moved to Rutland and then Leicester to find work.

The problem is her name, it is so common!!

I'll try and get into town to check the Gilroes registers next unless you have them?

Failing that I wonder if the mum went back to family in Norfolk.

Best Wishes Mike
Tracey x

Greeting’s Again…….. Tracey.

I was basing my choice of Partner for William James Wright
On. .. As I understood it that by 1874.
They were grouping couples together
when there was more than two couples on a page
instead of just stating those having the same Ref. No.
December Qrt. 1874.
Guiltcross District
Cert No. 4b. 661.

I have since rechecked Bridgham Census returns 61.71.

And yes both Families of Revitt & Houchen appear.

So. …. I think the only way to determine the right partner
is to order the Marriage Certificate in the name of William James Wright ONLY.
Unless you have already done this.?

Yes Gilroes could be a choice for a burial / cremation of Alice.
Sorry but the Council are the only people who have details for Gilroes.

But I feel you need to do a bit of homework first.

The latest info I have of searches at City Council Cemetery Office.
Are they are charging £5.00 per person per hour to do the search yourself
Or £20.00. Per person, per hour. If they do the search for you.

MIKE. xx

Hi Mike

Thanks for the info. It was definitely Houchen so will have to plod on.

I can't believe the council are charging now to look at the Gilroes books, I've looked at them in the past for nothing!!

Tracey x

Greeting’s & Welcome……Caroline.

I take it it’s the Belton on the West side of the County near to Shepshed ?
Not the other one on the boarders of Leicestershire/ Rutland.

Looks like Father Charles could have died before the 1841. Census

Hall Burials for Belton.

HALL Charles 29 Jun 1838 Aged.40

Noted this interesting one which might give you a clue of the Wife for Charles

HALL Geo 16 Sept. 1837 Aged.2 Son Of Charles & Mary

1841. Census Returns :~

HO107 / 594./ Bk. 13./ Fol. 17./ Page. 10.
Belton.
Long Street.
Mary Hall. 45.
Edward Ditto. 20. Ag Lab.
John. Ditto.15. Frame Work Knitter.
Charles. 15.
Hannah. 8.
Mary. 2.
All Born in the County.

And could it be that William is staying with Grandparents :~

HO 107./ 594./ Bk.13./ Fol. 5./ Page. 3.
Belton.
Forrest-Gate.
Edward. Hall. 65.Frame Work Knitter.
Mary. 60.
William. 35. Ditto.
George. 25. Ditto.
WILLIAM. 11.
All Born within the County.

Going on the fact Charles has died.
Could it be that Charles‘s brother Edward.
Is within the household of Mary
And William Jnr. Is with Grand parents ?

Do not forget that on this Census
the ages of those over 15 were rounded DOWN
to the nearest multiple of Five.
Hence you get two Sons aged 15.

But I will have a look at Parish Registers for you this week and get back to you on this thread

Marriages Found :~
St. John the Baptist Parish Church.
Belton.

Edward Hall. ~ Mary Hall.
26th. December.1794.
By Banns.

Charles Hall. ~ Mary WHITE.
17th. June. 1816.
By Banns.


MIKE. xx

Seems like Caroline's post as gone walkies ? .....