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A Sad Little Tale (Closed)

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Bo Report 8 Aug 2007 10:44

Replying so I too can see the final outcome. Paul I work in Cardiff so if you need any help just ask and I'll do what I can. Bo


Rebecca Report 8 Aug 2007 13:03

Hi, A nudge hoping to keep this story in the lime light! xx


Louise Report 8 Aug 2007 16:12

nudge I don't want to lose this one.


Paul Report 8 Aug 2007 17:55

Hi Bo, Many thanks for your kind offer of help which I would gladly accept. The only problem is I don't know what to do next. What's happening to a certain extent is that you the readers are now guiding me and giving me the information for the next move. One example is the reply from Janet who provided me with some very good information relating to WW2 evacuees. Another example I've just received an email from Ivy so that I can contact the Woolwich Family History Society (they do not have a web presence yet). That is an extremely useful piece of information. I think I need to call and speak to the vicar of St John's. As said in an earlier reply, to bury someone, almost a stranger in a grave with a headstone does show that someone cared enough. Who was this someone? Was it the foster parents, the parents or the community. Perhaps this is one question the vicar could answer. If you can think of a possible angle I have missed, and I'm no expert, then please go for it. Many thanks Paul


TinaElizabeth Report 8 Aug 2007 18:01

Hi Paul in regards as to who payed for the grave wouldn't the local council know ? I got all the information on my grandfathers and gt.grandparents from a lady at the council. I was told who was buried in the grave and that for my grandfathers grave his mum got a grant for the burial. Tina


♥Deetortrainingnewfys♥ Report 8 Aug 2007 18:22

Would there be a local stone mason who made the gravestone in the village? perhaps they have some old records?


Paul Report 8 Aug 2007 20:42

Breakthrough, I have just come off the phone after speaking with the sub warden of St. John the Baptist Church. He has had an amazing response to his article including a first hand account of the accident by an eye witness. We have agreed to exchange information at which time I can post the events which led to Patricia's untimely death. He like some of you was also puzzled as to who paid for the burial & grave so there are still some unanswered questions. It is thought that the Parish Burial Records are held by Cardiff City Council but he will search the church's archive to see if the originals are still there. Please be patient and I'll post what information is supplied as soon as I can. Bye Paul


Margee Report 8 Aug 2007 20:50

I'd like to take this opportunity to thank you Paul for bringing this story to light and for all of the research that you have done. I think little Patricia would be pleased to know that so many people cared about her, even 60 years later. One thing that amazes me is that the newspaper report didn't give the names of her parents. Surely the family that took her in would know the parents' names and report it to the press. I wonder if there was a later newspaper report that gave more details? i.e. Did the parents come to attend the funeral? Or was such a thing impossible during wartime? Margaret


Paul Report 8 Aug 2007 21:21

Hello Margaret, There are some answers to your questions but if you don't mind I'll hold back until Win Evans gives me the full details. What he did say that I cannot verify yet is that it was thought Patricia's father was killed during the war and that he was in the RAF. Unfortunately the Commonwealth War Graves Commission does not appear to list him. Perhaps someone could verify that this is correct and when it happened. Many thanks Paul

emily is driving me dotty

emily is driving me dotty Report 8 Aug 2007 22:22

How sad for this little girl to be taken from all she knew and loved, for her own safety i know, but then to get killed anyhow. Not far from where i live there was a couple of evacuee children killed. Fearing that they would be late for school they took a short cut across the train tracks and got hit by a train. Having said how sad this all is, i also am really touched at all the love and consideration show to little Patricia. Restores your faith in mankind. Eagerly awaiting to find out more. Thank you for sharing this with us Paul. Lorraine


Rose Report 8 Aug 2007 22:37

how sad for this poor girl takes me back to when my mam told me of a family that moved from london and came to our town to avoid the bombs of london . but up here their house got a direct hit from a bomb and wiped the whole family out tragic rosexx


PaulaW Report 8 Aug 2007 23:09

nudge to continue reading

♥Betty Boo from Dundee♥

♥Betty Boo from Dundee♥ Report 8 Aug 2007 23:25

Hi Paul, I have been following this story although I haven't posted anything on the thread, it would be great to find out about this little girl. I will keep looking to check what is happening. Betty

Paul Barton, Special Agent

Paul Barton, Special Agent Report 8 Aug 2007 23:38

My mum was evacuated from London to Wales but after a while the family couldn't bear to be parted so the whole family, cousins, grandparents and all, decided to live together at Iver, Buckinghamshire. My mum and brother were brought back. Now you would think Buckinghamshire would be safe, wouldn't you? Not if you are living next to the Hawker Hurricane factory!

~Summer Scribe~

~Summer Scribe~ Report 9 Aug 2007 00:20

You're doing a great job Paul and I await patiently the outcome of your research. It's amazing how one little girl can touch so many peoples thoughts.


Carter Report 9 Aug 2007 08:50

paul you have me hanging on your every word. i cant wait for the next instalment. you are doing a fabulous job. keep up the good work . well done you are a superstar and little patricia would be so happy . linda x

Gwyn in Kent

Gwyn in Kent Report 9 Aug 2007 08:59

Is there someone on the boards who could check school logs for Woolwich area? I have seen Dover school logs for the wartime period and they had very detailed information about evacuees sent to Wales, home address, which family they were with, siblings there, any change of lodging and reason for leaving. Maybe school logs, - if they exist- for Woolwich would pinpoint Patricia's family. Gwyn

~~~Hz by the River~

~~~Hz by the River~ Report 9 Aug 2007 10:28

nudging so as to follow this story, even from afar (Oz). I cannot assist practically but nevertheless am full of admiration for your efforts Paul, well done. This is such a wonderful example of true historical research and the power of the internet! Good Luck to you all, and Blessings to dear little Patricia. Hz


LB Report 9 Aug 2007 10:52



Genevieve Report 9 Aug 2007 12:39