Genealogy Chat

Hi Margaret

Do you have a cert for Samuel? Would be interesting to know the informant in 1867 as you are wondering if Sarah died 1853. You will have to buy the certificate to find out any info.

Have found these

Henry Hayes married 21 Oct Great Glen to Rhoda Carter
Mary Hayes Christening Sep 1799 Father Henry Hayes, mother Rhoda and also same parents
Thomas Hayes Christening 31 Oct 1802 Great Glen
Thomas Hayes Burial 21 Nov 1802 Great Glen
Williaim Hayes Christening 29 Apr 1804 mother's name spelt Rhohoda, funny spelling of William too

BINGO with this
Samuel Kemp Hayes Christened 29 Sep 1851 mother Sarah Hayes listed as illigit

Elaine

Any ideas on my Sarah Hayes (pg 7)?

Thanks Mike,

They are all in my family in one way or another - the first John I think is the one who is shown as father on Skeffington's marriage certificate. The second John was his son. The other thing that bothered me is that both Skeffington and John were baptised on the same day but John's father was shown whereas Skeffington was labelled as illegitimate.

Did people really just turn a blind eye?

Alison

Greeting’s…….. Paula

Re:~ To view Wills at the Records Office.

Wills From 1750.
These ( surnames) are on Index cards in alphabet order
Within drawers in the small passageway close to the search room No. 2.
The Ref is as follows e.g.:~

TIVEY. Thomas. Belton.
1896. R. p. 493.

1896. = The partition for 1896.
R= register.
p. = Page No.
493.
This tells you that it’s on the Microfiche
named 1896 page 493.
Microfiche's are on the Left hand side of the doorway through to search room No. 2.

If the Ref follows along the lines :~

TIVEY William. Farmer. Greasley. 1906. P.A.B.202.
P. A. B. = Probate Act Book. 202.

This is then a Hard copy which are held in the strong room & you need to order the Book via the Green slips at the reception desk in search room No, 2.

If it states :~

TIVEY. Thomas Belton. 1906. R. 144…….Ad.

The Abbreviation = Ad = Administers Book.
This too needs to be ordered out of the strong room via the green slips.

If the Will is before 1750,
Then there is an Index to these
Which sits on top of the drawers within the passageway as before. .
Because of the delicate condition of the index’s
So the index’s have been made in to Three old Blue books .

The ref stated follows along the same lines as for the above.

I realise the instructions sound a bit long winded but it is really quite simple once you have done a few
But remember if in doubt just ask the staff in search room No. 2.
they are only too pleased to help & guide you through it.

MIKE. xx

Greeting’s…….. Alison.

Liquorish Burials for Hallaton

LIQUORISH * JOHN * 12 Sep 1826 Aged.33
LIQUORISH ROBERT 20 Feb 1838 71
LIQUORISH JOHN 05 Sep 1842 16
LIQUORISH MARTHA SARAH 18 Jul 1843 2days
LIQUORISH JOHN 01 Jun 1844 1wk
LIQUORISH MARTHA ELIZABETH 08 Jun 1844 2wks
LIQUORISH SARAH 23 Feb 1845 77
LIQUORISH JEMIMA 01 Jul 1857 1wk
LIQUORISH EMILY 17 Jul 1859 6wks
LIQUORISH THOMAS 08 Jun 1860 38
LIQUORISH MARY 09 Jan 1861 36


MIKE.

Paula,
Thank you for clearing that up

Alison

Hi Paula,

If I remember rightly, the wills are on microfiche in a filing cabinet near the index. I don't remember exactly - I'm sure Mike will know, though.

Re my Catherine Tailby mystery i have put an update on my thread 'brick wall any help appreciated !!!'

I've possibly part solved it but i need opinions so would be grateful for those of anyone on the Leicester thread

my great grandfathers marriage certificate has a father recorded and he was illegitimate. I think sometimes people made a father up to avoid embarassment. The fathers name my ggf put down was actually his grandfathers name
paula

I've just received a copy of my 2x great grandfather's marriage certificate and on it is shown his 'father' yet the parish records have him as illegitimate as his 'father' apparently died in 1826 and my g g grandfather was born in 1833.

Is it possible for parish records to be wrong? The person in question is Skeffington Liquorish, b.1833 in Hallaton to Martha Liquorish and John

In the 1841 census Martha is shown as widowed with 3 sons. There is a death reference for a John Liquorish in 1826 but also 2, I think in 1842, one of whom is Martha's son John, although if she was widowed in the 1841 census then John must have died prior to this.

Can anyone shed any light on this - surely the father on his marriage certificate wouldn't have been filled in? Or would it?

Thanks for any help with this

Alison

Mary (or anyone else who knows)

I saw the indexes for wills at the records office before but i'm not quite sure how to use.

Once i have found the index for someone i am interested in where do i find the will?

paula

Paula, if you have a spare 10 minutes, have a look at wills. There's a card index in alphabetical order, and if you find a person you're interested in, you can photocopy the will and then read it at home so you don't waste time while you're there.

You'll need to take a list of names and dates of death with you. Can't remember which year the index goes up to, I'm afraid.

I heard on radio Leicester they is an open day at the Leicestershire and Rutland Family history society on Saturday 10-4

paula

Greeting’s……… Paula.

Not knowing your Family tree ……..
I would think you pick out the people who will help you the best to
Form a solid foundation on which to build up your tree.
The Twigs can be done latter on.

Remembering that Marriages will also give you good building blocks for both families.

With regards to having time to do this addictive hobby. ?
Then you put in what time you can spare …….. “ It’s not a race.”

Remember that the Records Office
has late nights on Wednesday's till 7.30. pm.

But if you need any help then just ask on here I’m sure we could help you.

Good luck in your researches…….

MIKE. xx

Greeting’s again Kathleen. ………

As promised trawled the Parish Baptism Registers.
For St, George’s
Below are ALL the Allen Baptisms for 1844.:~

1844.
July 3rd. Jane Daughter of John & Elizabeth of Granby St.
Hair dresser.

3rd. July. Louisa.
Daughter of John & Hannah. Of Granby St,
Brick maker.

24th.July.Richard Collins Allen.
Baseborn Son of Charlotte Allen.
Yeoman Lane. Single woman.

25th. November. William Harris Allen.
Son of John & Mary. Of Charles St.
Foundryman.

Had a look at theses I posted last night
Here are the full details :~

Entry No. 418. 9th. December. 1829.
MARY ANN. Daughter of Thomas & Mary Allen.
London Road. Frame Work Knitter.

Entry. No. 717. 17th. June. 1839.

MARY Ann. Daughter of John & Hannah Allen.
Granby Street. Brick maker.

Entry No. 222. 16th. August. 1837.

MARY ANN Daughter of Thomas & Mary Allen.
UPPER CHARLES STREET.
Frame Work Knitter.

Hope this helps.

MIKE.

I have a Samuel Hayes living with his grandmother Rhoda on the 1861 census. A search shows he is the son of her daughter Sarah - he was born in 1851 and registered as Samuel Kemp Hayes (Lutterworth Sep 1851). He died in 1867.

Sarah shows up on the family census in 1841 as aged 9, born in county (Frowlesworth, Leics) - so born c1832.

I found Sarah as a servant in a household with a Kemp family in 1851 - so no big leap there!! She is shown as being born in Frowlesworth, Leics c1828 (but the age could be wrong if the info was given by the head of household)

There is a death of a Sarah Hayes registered in Lutterworth Dec 1853. Is there any way to check for more information on this Sarah without buying the death cert?

The reason I ask is because I found a marriage of a Sarah Hayes to a William Reynolds (Lutterworth Mar 1852, though the IGI has it listed as Monks Kirby, Warwick). I have followed this couple 1861 through 1881 and Sarah has been listed as born 1835/36 in Kirkby Mallory, Leics or just Kirkby, Leics.

The IGI has a Sarah born in Monks Kirby, Warwick in 1832 - parents Samuel and Rhoda. The batch also lists all her sisters as being born in the same place, including my ancestor. My ancestor shows herself to be born in Frowlesworth on the 1861. My ancestor's father Samuel was born in Kirby Mallory, Leics (as per the 1851 census).

I feel like I am going around in circles.

(The Sarah I am looking for is the sister of my ancestor and I have more direct certificates I would rather get at this time.)

Mike

Yes I was going to have a look at Laudanum and historical directories for the shop, must go shopping first!
Elaine

I used to go to records office on a saturday morning when i first started my family tree and looked at censuses and parish records.

Lately i haven't been much as sat morning is the only time to do the cleaning an all the censuses are on ancestry now.

I have tomorrow and friday off work, also next thurs and fri so i thought i may take a long overdue trip to the records office at some point.

As my time is limited what would you suggest i concentrate on?? Should i pick out a couple of ancestors i want to find links on??

thanks
paula

Greeting’s Again Elaine……

Found this it might help ?

Laudanum was a wildly popular drug during the Victorian era. It was an opium-based painkiller prescribed for everything from headaches to tuberculosis. Victorian nursemaids even spoon fed the drug to cranky infants, often leading to the untimely deaths of their charges.
Originally, Laudanum was thought of as a drug of the working class. As it was cheaper than gin it was not uncommon for blue-collar men and woman to binge on laudanum after a hard week's work. Use of the drug spread rapidly. Doctors of the time prescribed it for almost every aliment. Many upper-class women developed habits.
The outbreak of tuberculosis may have been another factor in the drug's rising popularity. For a short period of time the tuberculosis "look" (very pale skin and frequent fainting spells) was quite in vogue. Victorian women went to great lengths to emulate the look, often taking arsenic to pale the skin (slowly poising themselves to death).
Laudanum's biggest clam to fame however was its use by the romantic poets. Many of the Pre-Raphaelites (Among them Lord Byron, Shelly and others) were know to indulge. The image of the romantic poet, pale, morose, drunk on absinthe and laudanum is a common one. The film Gothic portrays the stereotypical image of that society. In reality, most of the PRB were heavy drinkers first and foremost.

MIKE. xxx

Hi Mike
How sad.Thank you so much for the info, it's an amazing piece of history for me
Brilliant
Elaine