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Mike. The Leicester Lad.(GC)

Mike. The Leicester Lad.(GC) Report 21 Nov 2007 23:42

*** F.A.O. *** MARION.

I had a look at the Baptist Registers for Hugglescote & Donnington.

The only references I could see is as follows :~

No. 141.
Ann. Harris.
Born Whitwick.25th. November. 1836.
Daughter of James & Ann Née Cross.

Ann Cross was Daughter of John & Elizabeth Cross.

No. 143.

William Harris.
Born Derby. 3rd. Oct. 1829.
Son of James & Ann. Née Cross.

No. 144.
Catherine Harris.
Born at Whitwick. 17th.October. 1834.
Daughter of James & Ann. Née Cross.

The only Harris Baptism for the C of E. Church for the year 1834. :~

25th. April.
Daughter of Wm. & Sarah Harris.
Hugglescote Grange.
Joseph Taylor. Officiating Minister.



Marion Report 22 Nov 2007 05:33

Hi Mike
Thankyou . Nothing ties up with the family but i will file the details..All i can think is that both Charles and his mother Eliz were b at Hugglescote and bap elsewhere.
May be one day i'll knock down the brick wall
Thanks for looking Mike
Marion in oz


Gillian Report 22 Nov 2007 09:16

Hi Elaine

I have no details of an Amelia Kilby at all
c 1875?. But then again, I havent found ANY Kilbys yet before Herbert, but would dearly love to.
(I believe that Herbert died in 1914)

So far, I know of Herbert & Annies children - with the exception of Robert, I know only his birth & death dates, but nothing in-between. I would like to trace his decendents.
Most of the Fowkes / Kilby family seem to be around St Margarets, Leicester.
Thanks again Elaine

English Bob

English Bob Report 22 Nov 2007 20:18

...big public thanks to Mike, comes up trumps everytime...

Thomas Cooke Coachman d1835, Loughborough

surely someone else in the Midland is researching the family? Please don't hijack this thread though.


Maggie in Leics

Maggie in Leics Report 24 Nov 2007 10:31

Thought I had my Heatherill family sussed in 1891 via my (now expired) ancestry sub until I spotted a couple of strays on genes and findmypast - trouble is, ancestry doesn't seem to know about them!! The name is prone to mistranscription so it's possible they are there - just hiding!!

Please see thread "England 1891" on Records Office so as not to confuse folks!!



Maggie in Leics

Maggie in Leics Report 24 Nov 2007 17:28

Mystery solved thanks to wonderful genes members!!

Heatherill transcribed as.................................................................................Clarkson!!!!!!!

James, Jessie and Agnes Heatherill born Scotland but listed in Leicestershire on census night in 1891 as CLARKSON!!!

Hats off to those who found them!!

Mike. The Leicester Lad.(GC)

Mike. The Leicester Lad.(GC) Report 25 Nov 2007 17:23

Great New’s …Maggie ( The one line Celebrity )
Go see……..
Page 27. The Latest Leicestershire & Rutland Family History Journal.

But….Have you been growing strange plants in your garage ?


Maggie in Leics

Maggie in Leics Report 26 Nov 2007 09:21

T'wasn't me M'lud!!!!!

No room in my garage except for the junk I brought home from Charnwood '96 (Yes, I do mean '96!! - Dumped it, then hurt my back, then small cub came along, so the junk has stayed pretty much where I dumped it - in case it comes in useful one day you understand!!).

Have seen Anne's article in journal, Ta - also going to bring her attention to the pic of the Farriers' - sure her Rose must have spent many a day outside there waiting for her horse(s) to be shod.

More good news on the Heatherill front - small cub playing footie yesterday so Mum snuck off to Gilroes to have another look for great grandma - Agnes Crawford Butler nee Heatherill - and there she was, exactly where I left her - but easier to spot on a cloudy day.

Also found her brother James Heatherill in an 1892 directory, home address listed as Mary Lea, Lansdowne Road, Stoneygate. Wondering if they mean Sandown Road as Lansdowne not in Stoneygate - wonder if he owned the house as it is named after the family home in Glasgow. Sandown Road just round the corner from where the whole family eventually settled on London Road - house was called "Gladwynne" and is mentioned in the excellent "Tollgate to Tramshed, The History of London Road, Leicester c1860-1920" by Helen Boynton & Derek Seaton. The house is now a B & B called The Stanfre House Hotel - keep meaning to pop along and ask if I can have a look round!!

Wondering if anyone can tell me James' address in 1891 to see if that helps solve the mystery - he is listed as James Clarkson, born Scotland but living in Leicestershire with his two sisters Jessie and Agnes, and, I am told, a servant.



Mike. The Leicester Lad.(GC)

Mike. The Leicester Lad.(GC) Report 26 Nov 2007 14:53

Greeting’s Again Maggie….

1891. census returns
RG 12./ 2497. / 118. / Page. 29.

Sandown Road
“ Marylea “

James Heatherill.
20.SON. S= Single,
Commercial Traveller. Paper Warehouse
Born. Scotland.

Next door “ Glengarth”

William A, Clarkson. 31. Wholesale Clothier. Employer. B Leicester.
Eleanor J. W. Wife. 31. b Cheltenham.
Geoffrey. Son. 3. b Knighton.
Frances Webb. M.I.L. 61. b Blackfriars London.

Plus two Female Servants.

Although it's down as Lansdown Road
It is SANDOWN Road
Because it continues into Malven Road
and that is diffidently Sandown Road

Umm. …….
The jury is still out... Re:~ Strange plants
Doing on that there’s been a large purchase of
“Small Holder Badges” sold at County H.Q. !!!

Maggie in Leics

Maggie in Leics Report 27 Nov 2007 11:06

Small holder badges eh?? Must be the cubs!! They've been doing their scientist badge recently which involved worm farms - could that be a cover for a you know what farm?? Maybe the lady and gent in question are Akela and Baloo??!!!!

Thanks SO much for the info on James - expect to see me treking up and down Sandown Road now looking for Mary Lea (just in case it still has the same name) - instead of prowling up and down the road at Gilroes getting some very strange looks!!



Mike. The Leicester Lad.(GC)

Mike. The Leicester Lad.(GC) Report 27 Nov 2007 16:16

*** F.A.O. *** MAGGIE.

1916. Trade Directories :~


Between No’s 20 ~40.
Ernest Langton. House Agent.

So. …… FROM London Road.
It’s on your RIGHT at the bottom of the
The road just before Stoney gate Road.

Umm Finger nail Inspection next time I see you…lol :0))))


Maggie in Leics

Maggie in Leics Report 28 Nov 2007 10:18


Thanks for that.

Can't go treking yet - (not so) small cub has lurgy so confined to barracks for the time being.

Wonder how they got to work at Belvoir Street in 1892 - guess it would be walk, cycle or tram - weird to think of walking in their footsteps!!

Don't forget shoe and pocket inspection - or did cubs not have pocket inspection? Brownies used to have to have all sorts in their pockets to "Be Prepared"!!


Mike. The Leicester Lad.(GC)

Mike. The Leicester Lad.(GC) Report 28 Nov 2007 21:46

***F.A.O.*** Jon O’ Kent.

Your mystery child of Samuel & Elizabeth Tomkins
Is a…….. BOY.

St. Margaret's
Baptism Registers reads thus :~

Page. No. 177.
Entry No. 1415.

8th. April.

ASURAN. SON of Samuel & Elizabeth.
Needle-Gate. F.W.K.
W.H. Anderson. Officiating Minister.

Entry. No. 1416.

8th. April.

James. Son of Samuel & Elizabeth same details as above.

Checked out all the other 8 baptisms on your list
Apart from
Thomas. Broad Street.
John. & Samuel. Sanvey-Gate
All the others = Needle – Gate.
But F.W.K. is the Occupation through out all.


If you require a Photo copy of Asuran & James entry
Then let me know.

Mike. The Leicester Lad.(GC)

Mike. The Leicester Lad.(GC) Report 28 Nov 2007 22:04

Greeting Again MAGGIE.

Sorry to hear your lad is suffering with the screaming abb dabs……..

Yes Pocket Inspection is practiced today
With extra points for the Best Six Monthly trophy
For :~ 40p, (Phone call )
& Clean proper handkerchief.
Tissues or toilet paper = minus points.
P.E. Kit.

Re Sandown Road ..........

I would think they would leg it down to Vicky Park
Choice of TWO trams then Clarendon Park services joins here
Or leg it across Vicky Park and down New Walk
which brings them out on Belvoir Street. ……..

SKIP. xxx

Maggie in Leics

Maggie in Leics Report 29 Nov 2007 07:21


Thanks again!! Where did you find that tram info? (Assume you're not old enough to remember back that far? ;-))

Small cub HAS to better today - County Trials @ Grace Road tonight - first step on the ladder to playing for England - or so he would like to think!!

Brownie pockets were well stuffed - paper, pencil, string, 2 clean hankies (one to use, one for First Aid), safety pin, elastoplast and money for the phone - think it was either 3d or 6d!! Bit of a hike to 40p!!

P.E. Kit???

Maggie XX

Mike. The Leicester Lad.(GC)

Mike. The Leicester Lad.(GC) Report 29 Nov 2007 14:06

Greeting’s Again Maggie

Yes I’m old enough to remember & use the trams

Telephone boxes now days will not work for under 40.p….Grrrr

I first learnt how to use a public telephone in the box on Victoria Park Road.
(Press button A to connect or B for your 3d. back days )
When I was a Wolf Cub ( with Itchy woolly jumper. !!!! ) & the odd dead frog in my pocket
41st.Leicester Pack. St. James the Greater London Road.

P.E. Kit = Physical Education….

Maggie in Leics

Maggie in Leics Report 29 Nov 2007 16:26


Just about remember Button A and Button B!!

Did you know the Guide Leader of St James in 1970 - can't remember her name - scary lady!!

"P.E. Kit = Physical Education" - in your pocket?????

Just a thought, do you have any gems on Thomas Hollins, Cordwainer, of Market Place and then Northampton Street in the early 1800's? His daughter Jane married my John Butler (and then Thomas Snaith after John died). Carolyn sent info to back up my thought that Thomas' wife was Jane Gardiner.

Think Thomas and Jane had a Thomas - also a cordwainer, who married a Mary.

Thomas and Mary also had a Thomas who was a Solicitor's Clerk, married an Eliza and ended up in Syston.

Jane and Thomas Snaith (her toy boy!!) last seen in London Road in 1861 as Photographic Artists - wonder what that entailed!!!!!

Jane and Thomas appear to have had a son, James, who looks to have died young.


Help promote travel the way your ancestors travelled:

Will benefit Watermead Park in Leicester and the Wreake Valley amongst others.


Maggie XX


John Report 29 Nov 2007 18:00

Many thanks for confirming Asuran details, very much appreciated, no photo copy required
Jon O'Kent


John Report 30 Nov 2007 19:25

Greetings Mike
I am totally confused by this child named ASURAN, can find no further reference to him in Census or BMD's. ASURAN seems to crop up only in Science Fiction literature. There is a gap in the many children of Sam/Eliz between 1833-1838, if time permits next week could you please check the St Margaret Birth Registers for a likewise name ?.
Many thanks
Jon O'Kent


MaryfromItaly Report 30 Nov 2007 20:12

I've just checked in the Concordance, and it isn't a Biblical name.

I wonder if it's a mistranscription of Aaron?