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Billy

Billy Report 5 Dec 2007 13:41

I have my Grandfathers Marraige cert dated the 21/08/1918 ( Daniel Ingham ) and on it . it says he was aged 34, so he was born in 1884 and his father was William Ingham who was a cotton card room jobber. BUT when i go back 34 years to 1884 i cannot find Daniel with a Father William, so i checked the 1891 census and still nothing But if i go back even further to 1881 census i find a william who was a cotton card room jobber with a son daniel aged 7 meaning that Daniel was actually 44 and born in 1874 is this possible. Its doing my head in and as you can see i am only on to my grand parents H E L P .
Regards
Billy

KeithInFujairah

KeithInFujairah Report 5 Dec 2007 13:45

Billy, have you found the birth registration for the one born in 1874? What age was his bridge on the marriage certificate?
Could it have been that he reuced his age to be nearer to his brides age?

Have you found Daniel on the 1901 census? If so what age was he then?

Billy

Billy Report 5 Dec 2007 13:48

Where do i start when im looking for a Death cert
Sorry about the lack of knowledge

KeithInFujairah

KeithInFujairah Report 5 Dec 2007 13:50

Billy, could this be the 1881 Daniel in 1901?

Name: Daniel Ingham
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation: Pauper
Gender: Male
Where born: Blackburn, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Oldham
Ecclesiastical parish: Coldhurst Holy Trinity
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Oldham
Sub-registration district: Oldham Below Town
ED, institution, or vessel: Oldham Union Workhouse
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 1

Billy

Billy Report 5 Dec 2007 13:53

FANTASTIC, What does that mean then
Billy

KeithInFujairah

KeithInFujairah Report 5 Dec 2007 13:57

If that is him, he was a pauper in the workhouse.

What age was his bride on the marriage cert?
Where did the marriage take place?

Am I correct with the birthplace of Daniel (ie Blackburn)?

Billy

Billy Report 5 Dec 2007 14:01

The bride was aged 39 on the Marriage cert but again she was actually 49

Billy

Billy Report 5 Dec 2007 14:02

The Marraige took place in Bury and yes it was blackburn

KeithInFujairah

KeithInFujairah Report 5 Dec 2007 14:09

Dont know for sure, but maybe they both reduced their ages by ten years for some reason I cannot explain!

Have you found the bride on any census?

Billy

Billy Report 5 Dec 2007 14:12

not yet im really slow at this game, i shall start that next
Billy

Sue C

Sue C Report 5 Dec 2007 14:15

This 1891 on findmypast seems to tie up with the 1881 except that Daniel beomes David. The image on this one cleary reads David. I have looked at the 1881 image and think that might be David too and that he has been mistranscribed as Daniel. Perhaps someone else can take a look at 1881 image for a second opinion.


1891

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INGHAM, William Head Married M 46 Hawker
Bromley
Kent
INGHAM, Mary Wife Married F 44
Lancaster
Lancashire
INGHAM, Albert Son M 19 Labourer
Oldham
Lancashire
INGHAM, David Son M 17 Labourer
Blackburn
Lancashire
INGHAM, Rebecca Daughter F 13 Labourer
Oldham
Lancashire
INGHAM, Arthur Son M 10
Oldham
Lancashire
INGHAM, George Son M 8
Blackburn
Lancashire
INGHAM, William Son M 4
Oldham
Lancashire

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RG number:
RG12 Piece:
3303 Folio:
81 Page:
61

Registration District:
Oldham Sub District:
Oldham Below Town EnumerationDistrict:
30 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Andrews

Civil Parish:
Oldham Municipal Borough:
Oldham Address:
38, Cannon Street, Oldham County:
Lancashire



KeithInFujairah

KeithInFujairah Report 5 Dec 2007 14:18

What was Edith's fathers name? Had she been married previously?
If you wish I will take a look and see if I can find her on the 1901 census.

Billy

Billy Report 5 Dec 2007 14:19

thank you all for your genorous help

Billy

Billy Report 5 Dec 2007 14:20

Ediths Fathers name was John William Mercer and he was Deceased

KeithInFujairah

KeithInFujairah Report 5 Dec 2007 14:23

Sue, I think the 1881 actually says Daniel, but could be David as well.

KeithInFujairah

KeithInFujairah Report 5 Dec 2007 14:31

This looks like them in 1881

Name: Edith Ann Mercer
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John W.
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Female
Where born: Childwall, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Much Woolton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address: 36 Gateacre Brow
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Prescot
Sub-registration district: Much Woolton
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Mercer 71
Archibald M. Mercer 8
Edith Ann Mercer 11
Elizabeth Mercer 40
Elizabeth Mercer 42
John W. Mercer 41

Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 3721; Folio: 87; Page: 13

And 1871
Name: Edith Mercer
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: Granddaughter
Father's Name: John W
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Female
Where born: Childwall, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Much Woolton
Ecclesiastical parish: Childwall
Town: Gateacre
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Prescot
Sub-registration district: Much Woolton
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 45
Household Members: Name Age
Anne Mercer 62
Edith Mercer 1
Elizabeth Mercer 32
Elizabeth Mercer 29
John Mercer 67
John W Mercer 31

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 3855; Folio: 85; Page: 10

Billy

Billy Report 5 Dec 2007 14:39

Kieth you are a STAR, what can i say, so Edith was born in 1870ish and Daniel was born in 1873ish

Margaret

Margaret Report 5 Dec 2007 14:39

Billy,

Birth Registration:

Daniel Ingham
Oct.- Dec. qtr. 1873
Blackburn
8e 319

His Birth Certificate will give you his Father's name and occupation and his Mother's Maiden Name.

Could be a bit expensive, though, if it's the wrong person.

M. Steer

Billy

Billy Report 5 Dec 2007 14:48

Thanks M, this is all getting confusing i am a bit nieve when it comes to it

Margaret

Margaret Report 5 Dec 2007 15:18

Billy,

I've been doing this for quite a few years and still get confused.

Certificates are worth their weight in gold.

You have your Grandfather's Marriage Certificate - do the witnesses give you any clue?

A Death Certificate will give you a place (maybe an address that you recognise) also the name of an informant (which could be a relative but not always).

A birth Certificate will give you both parents names.

When you check the Census Returns don't just look for one person, check out the whole family and have a look to see who the neighbours are, they may be relatives.

Above all, take your time.

M. Steer