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I am so confused

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Ivy Report 13 Dec 2007 18:28

Apologies Billy,

I don't think I've added anything useful this afternoon.

If you can post those witnesses, that may be very helpful.

Logging off for now.

All the best


Stan Report 13 Dec 2007 19:45

Hi Billy

As there was only one Daniel Ingham born in Blackburn between 1865 and 1885, I think it is reasonable to conclude he is yours - born Oct-Dec 1873, Blackburn 8e 319. I would be surprised if that were the wrong person. He also happens to be the first one born after 1865 anyway.

Edith Mercer is the harder one to find, in fact. Her father's name could be made up, of course, to avoid a blank space on the form if she were illegitimate, as well as her age being wrong. I think the quest is do-able, albeit at some cost in time, and possibly in abortive certificates. There was even an Edith Claire, or Clara, Mercer born in Blackburn in 1886 (Jan-Mar 1886, Blackburn 8e 397), although her father is Robert, an ironmonger.




Katwin Report 13 Dec 2007 20:52

Hi Billy,

Like Stan I believe you can be reasonably assured in sending for the birth entry of Daniel Ingham born in Blackburn in 1873 December quarter, 8e 319 as that of your grandfather.

You have been given some excellent advice here, and if you take one step at a time, his birth is the most logical place to start.

To send for certificates online go to - - you will need to register with your e-mail address and a password. A certificate costs £7 and they are not too busy this time of year!

Good luck,



Billy Report 13 Dec 2007 21:00

I cant believe the response that i have had and all so informative, can i just thank everybody that has posted i appreciate all this hard work very much.
The witnesses on the Marriage cert are:

Martin Colleran
Catherine Burns


Ivy Report 14 Dec 2007 06:25

Hi Billy

Thanks for the witnesses' names.

Martin Colleran has the rarer name and may be easier to find. Ancestry has very few individuals with this name, even using the soundex option.

There are just two of that name on the England 1901 census with connections to Lancashire - both born about 1865 in Heywood, which has an Oldham postcode and is roughly equidistant between Bury and Rochdale. I do wonder if it is actually just one individual, enumerated twice - once by his wife, and once at the place he stayed overnight.

A Martin Colaran married in Rochdale in Sep 1866, and there is a Martin Colleran marriage in Rochdale in 1890.

However, there are other places linked to the name - Wigan (about 20 miles further west) Ormskirk (another 10 miles still further west) and Preston (north of Wigan).

Martin Colleran married Delia Freyne in Wigan in Mar 1918

I'll check those 1901 census references.


Ivy Report 14 Dec 2007 06:35

Martin and Mary possibly in 1891:

Name: Martin Colloton (image looks more like Colleron)
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Heywood, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Castleton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Martin
Town: Heywood
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Rochdale
Sub-registration district: Castleton Further
ED, institution, or vessel: 3

Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Colloton 6/12 son born Heywood
Martin Colloton 25 genl labr
Mary Colloton 34 wife cotton sorter born Liverpool
John Hanlan 7 stepson born Bury


Ivy Report 14 Dec 2007 06:43

- and Martin and Mary in 1901:

Name: Martin Colleran
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Heywood, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Heywood
Ecclesiastical parish: Heywood St Luke
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Bury
Sub-registration district: Heywood
ED, institution, or vessel: 9

Household schedule number: 69
Household Members:
Name Age
John Colleran 17 son b Bury
Joseph Colleran 10 son b Heywood
Martin Colleran 36 head carter born Heywood
Mary Colleran 42 wife cotton waste picker born Liverpool
Mary Colleran 7 daughter b Heywood
Winnifred Colleran 4 daughter b Heywood


Ivy Report 14 Dec 2007 06:48

- and Martin in 1881:

Name: Martin Colleran
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Monica
Gender: Male
Where born: Heywood, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Heap
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address: 7 Hampsons Ter

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Occupation: Cotton Mule Piecer

Registration district: Bury
Sub-registration district: Heywood
ED, institution, or vessel: 8b

Household Members:
Name Age
Martin Colleran 14
Monica Colleran 34


Ivy Report 14 Dec 2007 06:51

- and birth registered Dec 1865 Bury (on Ancestry as Collern)


Ivy Report 14 Dec 2007 06:54

Now the other mentions that don't fit the Bury/Rochdale/Heywood area:

Birth Sep 1855 Liverpool
Death Sep 1876 Liverpool (b abt 1852)

[ Ed: poss the Martin son of Anna on the 1861 census (see posting on page 6 below)]


Ivy Report 14 Dec 2007 06:57

-marriage Dec 52 Ormskirk
- marriage Jun 64 Preston
- marriage 1918 Wigan (as mentioned above)


Ivy Report 14 Dec 2007 06:58

1881/1861 census

born abt 1825/1831 Ireland,
married to Julia,
living in Ormskirk


Ivy Report 14 Dec 2007 07:05

1861 census:

Name: Martin Colloran
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Anna
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England


Ivy Report 14 Dec 2007 07:35

- sorry no time now, but a search for births under Free BMD as Coleran or as Colleran between 1890 and 1920 in Lancashire gives patterns of births that might be tied in via marriages to the various families in the area in 1918

- will have another look later