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WHO ARE WE LOOKING FOR IN LEICESTER (PART SIXTEEN)

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John

John Report 1 Mar 2008 18:56

Greetings Mike,
Whilst you still have the white gloves on for Victoria above, if time permits could you check out the St Marg workhouse birth of Louisa TOMKINS (possibly another illegitimate child of Ann TOMKINS) born 30th May 1840 I would be interested in any details the register holds.
Many thanks
Jon O'Kent

Mike. The Leicester Lad.(GC)

Mike. The Leicester Lad.(GC) Report 2 Mar 2008 05:29

Greeting’s again Jon. ………

Is this the family group on the 1851. Census ?

57 Needle ~ Gate Leicester.

Samuel Tomkins Head M 52 M Fwk Nth Kettering
Elizabeth Tomkins Wife M 50 F Fwk Sct
* Ann * Tomkins Dau U 29 F Seamer Lei Leicester
John Tomkins Son U 27 M Fwk Lei Leicester
William Tomkins Son U 18 M Fwk Lei Leicester
Joseph Tomkins Son 12 M Winder Lei Leicester
Elizabeth Tomkins Dau U 20 F Fancy Stitcher (Hosiery) Lei Leicester
* LOUISA * TOMKINS GDAU 11 F SEAMER LEI LEICESTER
Rachel Tomkins Dau 10 F Seamer Lei Leicester
James Tomkins Son 8 M Winder Lei Leicester
Ambrose Tomkins Son 6 M Lei Leicester
Eliza Tomkins Gdau 2 F Lei Leicester

What makes you think Ann & Louisa could be in the Workhouse c1840 ?

Birth registration :~
Apr. ~ May. ~ Jun. Qrt. 1840.

Louisa Tomkins
LEICESTER.
Cert.No.XV. 111.

MIKE.

John

John Report 2 Mar 2008 09:39

Greetings Mike
Yes, To the best of my knowledge that is the same family, I have Cert showing Louisa's birth in workhouse with Ann as mother no father shown. George Tomkins, my previous query with you was also a child of ANN, I am trying ascertain that this ANN is the same as in 1851 census above.
Regards
Jon O'Kent

faerykingdom

faerykingdom Report 2 Mar 2008 12:52

Hi Mike,

Thanks for you help yet again!

I too was there from about 1.00 (I had half day from work as the only times I get to go otherwise is Wednesdays when I finish work at 17.00 or Saturday morninhgs), but I didn't start looking at this side of my family until about 17.00 and by that time they said they were too short staffed to get the records out.

Thanks again and I'll check back soon!

Vicky

English Bob

English Bob Report 2 Mar 2008 20:29

..hi Mike, thank you for the two out of three, I see there is most of the info about the baptisms, so did you lift it from the fische or get the scans?

..can I presume your normal fee of a scouts russian red cross food parcel will apply!? LOL

Bob

Mike. The Leicester Lad.(GC)

Mike. The Leicester Lad.(GC) Report 2 Mar 2008 21:11

Greeting’s again Bob …..

The last one :~

Fiche DE. 667 / 7. 3.rd. of 5 fiches.

Reads thus :~

All Saints Parish Church. Loughborough.

BAPTISM ANNO DOMINI :~ 1830.

Page. 131.
Entry No. 1048.
Oct. 5th.
Jane. Daughter of
Thomas & Lynda
COOKE.
Loughborough.
COACHMAN.

Joseph Place. Curate.

If you require Photo copies = 30/-
Then I can do them this coming week
In the meantime you can take it that all my information
Is a true translation of the three Registers.

MIKE.

English Bob

English Bob Report 2 Mar 2008 21:30

Thank you Mike, I will of course love to have copies, your address has not changed I presume.

..as an aside, it seems that Elizabeth was Baptised in Nottingham & Loughborough, more fuel to the mystery.

Thank you again, Bob

Sidami

Sidami Report 2 Mar 2008 23:03

Hello Mike
Can you help me on this one please would you look for a marriage for Mr Thompson who married a Mary ? in Willoughby c1815 first child was born 1815
Sue.......

Mike. The Leicester Lad.(GC)

Mike. The Leicester Lad.(GC) Report 3 Mar 2008 15:50

Greeting’s again Sue O' Lincolnshire……

I hope you have got over last weeks Earth Quake
Bit too close for comfort I would have thought……?

Do you have a surname for MR Thompson ?

The closest I can find is :~

William Thompson. ~ Mary Chapman.
6.th. September. 1803.
St. Mary’s Parish Church.
Willoughby Waterless.
Leicestershire.
By Banns.

OR

John Thompson. Mary Tanny.
26.th. December. 1811.
St. Michael’s and All Angels.
COSBY.
Leicestershire
By Banns.

But I could cast my eyes over St. Mary’s Marriage Registers
this week at the Records Office. …

MIKE.XXX

Sidami

Sidami Report 3 Mar 2008 19:48

Hi Mike we did survive the earthquake.......lol not far away from us where it all started.

I have four children born to Mary Thompson from Willoughby George 1815 Sophia 1819 Eliza 1825 and John 1826 so it says on the IGI no husband mentioned I thought that maybe she had four children out of wedlock but I noticed on the 1851 and the 1861 there is a Mary Thompson living with one of her daughters called Eliz who married George Goodman ...well I think this is her daughter it says that Mary is a widow anf she was from Willoughby so I have been putting 2 and 2 together to see if there is a marriage for her in Willoughby.......how far is Crosby from Willoughby? maybe this is where i come to stop lol

Sue....

Frazzled

Frazzled Report 3 Mar 2008 20:40

Hello Mike

Last October you kindly looked up information on the Hall family in Belton for me. I am still trying to get info on them but I noticed that you helped someone with relatives in Rutland.

If you can access the Rutland records could you please look up Mary Ann Sanby. She was born in Bridge Casterton, Rutland in 1824 and her father's name was Samuel. I got her father's name from her marriage cert when she married William Hall in London.

Any info on Mary Ann and her parents would be great.

Thank you Mike
Caroline

Mike. The Leicester Lad.(GC)

Mike. The Leicester Lad.(GC) Report 3 Mar 2008 20:59

Greeting’s again Sue O’ Lincolnshire. …..

Yes when I saw that the centre was Market Rasen. ……
I thought Oh My !!!
That’s very close to my free meal in Lincolnshire ….lol :o))

Right ……

As the crow fly’s Cosby to Willoughby waterless = 3.6 Miles

Do you wish me to have a look that those Baptisms to Mary in Willoughby Waterless at the records office this week?
It may give us a better idea as to what’s going on ?

MIKE. XXX

MaryfromItaly

MaryfromItaly Report 3 Mar 2008 21:02

Hi Mike,

Could you check three baptisms on your discs if you have time? This is for my BiL's tree, which I'm doing for him.

He has a couple called John Charles Chambers and Elizabeth Kirby Youles who were living at 54 Junction Road, Leicester in 1901 with children Esther, Ethel, Ida and Thomas.

Ethel's son says there were also a brother and sister called Lil and Horace. I've found Horace, but I'm not sure about Lil.

The birth of a Lilian May Chambers was registered in Leicester in the first quarter of 1901. The census was taken on 31st March that year, so she should have been on it with John and Elizabeth, but she isn't.

However, there is a Lilian M Chambers aged 2 months on the 1901 census living with a Frederick and Mary Ann Chambers, so I assume this child is theirs.

I've also found the burial at Welford Road cemetery on 18/3/1901 of a Sarah Youles Chambers from Junction Road aged 5 months.

In view of the middle name and the address I think she must be the child of John and Elizabeth; she would have been born only about 6 months after Lilian, which seems to confirm that the Lilian I found isn't theirs.

I've also found the birth in 1904 of an Elizabeth Youles Chambers, who I assume is another child of John and Elizabeth's. I haven't found a death for her, and an Elizabeth Y Chambers was married in 1925, so I wonder if she was nicknamed Lil.

Could you see if you can find a baptism record to confirm who the parents of Lilian May, Sarah Youles and Elizabeth Youles Chambers are?

Thanks a lot,
Mary

Sidami

Sidami Report 3 Mar 2008 21:38

Hello Mike

Only if you have the time , you seam to be so busy doing look ups for peeps you will never get your own done........

Sue.........

Sidami

Sidami Report 3 Mar 2008 21:39

Mike
Do you know a lady called Hetti Scultka she goes to the record office quite a lot?
Sue

Mike. The Leicester Lad.(GC)

Mike. The Leicester Lad.(GC) Report 4 Mar 2008 05:25

(¯`*•.¸ (¯`*•.¸F.A.O……..Mary O’ Italy. ¸.•*¨) ¸.•*¨)


Greeting’s again……..

Ummm toughie ? ….

I think you had better ask Ethel’s son as to where in the pecking order this Lil
Comes.... is she OLDER than Horace or younger ?

From my list of Female names :~

• Liz/Liza/Lizzie/Lizzy/Lillie/Lillibet/Lilly = Elizabeth

So……..Me thinks we could go with the following for the time being :~

Oct. Nov. Dec Qrt. 1904.
Elizabeth Youles Chambers
LEICESTER.
Cert No. 7 a. 234.
Did you spot the burials for John , Elizabeth Kisby , Esther & James ?
Welford Road Plot No. :~ U. T. 730.

MIKE.xxx

MaryfromItaly

MaryfromItaly Report 4 Mar 2008 11:29

Thanks Mike - I don't think the son remembers their ages, but I'll ask.

I was hoping this might be something you could find easily on your discs, but evidently not. If it means a long trawl through the Record Office, don't worry about it, because I have no idea which church they'd have been baptised at.

Yes, I'd found the burials of the others, thanks.

Mike. The Leicester Lad.(GC)

Mike. The Leicester Lad.(GC) Report 4 Mar 2008 14:09

Greeting’s again Mary O’ Italy…….

That was not my finial answer to your inquiry……..
Just the result of insomnia………

Hopefully time permitted. …..
I will have an educated guess to morrow & Thursday at the Records Office
As to which Parish the baptisms took place. …….
Junction Road should come under St.Margaret’s

Chow. ……

MIKE.XXX

Mike. The Leicester Lad.(GC)

Mike. The Leicester Lad.(GC) Report 5 Mar 2008 20:55

(¯`*•.¸ (¯`*•.¸F.A.O……..English Bob.. ¸.•*¨) ¸.•*¨)


Spam & Baked Beans arrived safely……

Balance now £8.10/-….lol

I’ve now got the three scans I just need to clean up one of them
I’ll send them via E-mail as soon as possible….

MIKE.

Mike. The Leicester Lad.(GC)

Mike. The Leicester Lad.(GC) Report 5 Mar 2008 21:23

(¯`*•.¸ (¯`*•.¸F.A.O……..VICTORIA.. ¸.•*¨) ¸.•*¨)

Greeting’s again Victoria…..

I’m Sorry to disappoint you. ……..

But the Admission & Discharge Books for
Market Harborough Poor Law Workhouse
For the years you require are NOT HELD
At the Records Office.

The only Records which might help
Are the Deaths for the Workhouse..
For which you require the following Book
From out of the strong room:~

G 12 / 69 / 1.
Death Register of the Poor Law
Workhouse Market Harborough.

I’ll check out the other events I found
Next time I go. ….

MIKE.