General Chat

Agree re Socialist/Communist state like old USSR. and the KGB.

Most of those in the Government had a grounding in this way of life in their Universities. Otherwise 'Pinkos'.

Think years ago, Burgess and Maclean, et al.

I was in a Secondary Modern School in the late 1940's, and our teachers were the same, Trying to indoctrinate us with how wonderful Russia was. The Collective Farming etc.

Was I glad that I could think for myself, and realised I wanted to be an individual and not toeing the line of a Nanny State.

So I agree with all that is said.

People like to believe that the principles of the Magna Carta are still enshrined in British law. Have a quick read of the recently-enacted "Regulatory and Legislative Reform Bill"; Magna Carta has been trampled into the dust; that centuries-old document now hangs in the PM's toilet for him to use when he runs out of Andrex. Habeus Corpus is now a defunct Latin phrase.

For those who support the idea of detention for any length of time without charge, ask yourself: what are the criteria for being suspected of being a terrorist? Remember, an OAP was held under then-existing terrorist laws for heckling a government minister; the laws are now even more draconian; local councils are using them to investigate what you are throwing away: what do you think you discard that could give them cause to suspect you are a terrorist, and have you detained for 6 weeks? All that weedkiller you used? Or those plastic drinks bottles? How about those paint tins you are eventually clearing out?

Of course, there could eventually be other, more sinister reasons for suspecting you to be a terrorist; perhaps you do not agree with what your local council plans for your neighbourhood; perhaps you are resisting joining the Party. The politicians have been given powers that many despots of the past (as well as the present) would dream of. So many of the liberties that we have taken for granted over centuries are being chipped slowly away; like many examples of erosion, you are refusing to see it until your house tumbles over the cliff.

Well said Robert.

Laws that have been in place for centuries and have worked perfectly well have been repelled........for what? To prove a point IMO.

Today terrorism.......tomorrow for daring to disagree with the establishment?

Ok maybe not.........but what IF it is?

I don't want to live like that. Especially as up til now there is not ONE case where the current limit has needed to be extended !!!!!!!! xx