General Chat

Sparrow sorry about what has happened to this thread I wont post on it anymore

my apologies

Twizzle

Well, well, well. What on earth did the suffragettes fight for if it wasn't for equality.

I can't believe the reasons given on this thread why women shouldn't fight in the front line.....because they might get emotionally involved and not do their job properly. Absolute and utter rubbish. A story put about by men.

If a woman goes into a forces career she knows full well what is involved as do the men.
The days of women being 'soft' and having to be protected are long gone.

I have no idea why the media are concentrating so much on the fact that a woman soldier has been killed. To me this
sort of blanket coverage belittles the men killed along side her.

My heart goes out to all the families who have lost a loved one in conflict...male or female.

Jean.

Jean,

At last common sense...thank you!

Col x

Kathryn i do not dispute there are women who make excellent , fearsome soldiers> The wonderful young woman who died is one. I have also see several who have not made good soldiers. That of course can apply to men.

It can also be said that a woman being in with a large group of men can be a distraction, not for any derogatory reason, purely biological.

Caz x

I used to do a "mans job" I was a long distance self employed courier, I resent anybody telling me where I can or can't go, day or night. I worked with a lovely elderly gentleman who's mother was one of the original suffragettes in jail force fed the lot, he would tell the ladies where I worked of his mother and was very proud of her, he used to open doors hold chairs out and stand when ladies entered the room..

I believe the families of the men killed along side the woman soldier have asked for privacy to mourn, the woman killed was young and pretty it's the press who decide to make headlines of her death because she is the first woman killed in Afghanistan, wasn't the first man killed given publicity too?

I watched her parents on tv talking about their daughter it was heartbreaking I'm sure had they talked to the parents of the men killed it would have been equally heartbreaking, grief makes no distinction of the grounds of gender.

R.I.P. The brave men and women who have died in service of their country....xx

Well Caz.... that would be a male problem not a female one.

Jean, I disagree very much on that one!!

Caz x

That doesn't surprise me at all Caz.

Our soldiers fight for our freedom, that includes the right to an opinion. I do not tell anyone their opinion is wrong. That is respect.

Jean, I didnt explain properly. I meant sexual tension in an environment that is fraught with danger is not a good idea. I merely believe that women should be in less dangerous enviroments.

Caz x

If it's sexual tension that's the problem, let's remove the men from the military.

And let's see how many wars there are then.

And Caz, I don't know about this not telling anyone their opinion is wrong being respect.

When someone's opinion is that a person's life choices should be limited by her sex, that opinion is obnoxious in a society that values all individuals equally and respects all individuals equally. That opinion is not respect. So I don't feel much obligation to respect it, if that's what you were getting at.

Kathryn, I merely said its respect to see anothers view point, I have no wish to argue on this thread as my friends husband was the only one to get out of that vehicle in Afghanistan alive.

We are ALL entitled to our opinions.

Caz x

Every death of a serviceman or woman is tragic...isn't that what we should be talking about?

yes Colin, it is this thread has gone in a different way. But the first post asked a question.


Caz xxx

The first post doesnt ask a question it asks for an opinion and mine is that irrespective of gender all deaths of our service personnel is tragic

Caz, I have no desire to see your viewpoint. It's ugly.

And to express it in connection with the tragic death of an individual who chose to serve her country ... rude.

Sorry Colin, yes it is an opinion, I have given mine.


Caz xx

Kathryn, i am never rude on GR.

I have been the person at home while my husband served two tours of Iraq. he is on the line for Afghanistan,

I have my opinion, you have yours,I believe women should not be on the front line, that was the original question, which I answered.

Caz x

Kathryn, Caz is expressing her opinion as are you. Both of you are entitled to express it and challenge each others opinion if you choose, hopefully in a respectful way that is not personal.

However, I object to you calling Caz rude, in fact I consider it hypocritical as I have seen too many of your posts now which I consider rude/belligerent.

Please don't get me wrong, you are a very intelligent lady and many of your comments have merit. You are also very helpful with other people's research. However, in my opinion (which you are entitled to disagree with) a little more diplomacy sometimes when expressing your opinions wouldn't go amiss.

I don't get you wrong at all, ~~~Secret Red ^^ Squirrel~~~ **007 1/2**. You might just note that I am not a lady, of course.

And I don't really care what your definition of "rude" might be, or to whom you might want to apply it or why.

I consider it the height of rudeness to advocate discriminating against anyone based on any personal characteristic, including religion, race, sex, and all them.

It is the height of disregard for the welfare of other people.

And that's the very definition of bad manners.