General Chat

Are we been watched ?
Is it there to keep a eye on us ?

But does it work lol

the images are hardly HD though are they?

how on earth they identify people amazes me.......

Bob

well i don't care if i am being watched cos i ain't doing anything untoward if you don't have anything to hide then it shouldn't be a bother.We would be only too glad of CCTV when something happens and the culprits need tracking.
CCTV really doesn't bother me

Well Bob i think you are right how do they identify people

we are always being watched lol...in my village CCTV isn't needed...just the curtain twitchers lol

Did you know that the increasing use of CCTV in public places has caused a debate over public surveillance versus privacy

Massive investment in CCTV cameras to prevent crime in the UK has failed to have a significant impact, despite billions of pounds spent on the new technology, a senior police officer piloting a new database has warned. Only 3% of street robberies in London were solved using CCTV images, despite the fact that Britain has more security cameras than any other country in Europe.

The warning comes from the head of the Visual Images, Identifications and Detections Office (Viido) at New Scotland Yard as the force launches a series of initiatives to try to boost conviction rates using CCTV evidence.

Our village hasn't got them either and the curtains never move but no-one ever seems to miss anything lol

A senior Metropolitan police officer has described the UK's CCTV strategy as a "fiasco", saying billions had been spent with very little impact on either stopping crime or providing evidence.

But don't count on the UK's flocks of cameras being taken down any time soon - the comments appear to be a thinly veiled plea for more cash to be poured into the country's favourite surveillance technology.

A comparison of the number of cameras in each London borough with the proportion of crimes solved there found that police are no more likely to catch offenders in areas with hundreds of cameras than in those with hardly any.

In fact, four out of five of the boroughs with the most cameras have a record of solving crime that is below average.

The figures were obtained by the Liberal Democrats on the London Assembly using the Freedom of Information Act.

When young people have gone missing in the city centre, the Police have at least been able to track their movements to know where to search, by finding them on the cctv. Although often too late, they end up in the river, they can be seen and the Police can tell if they look wobbly through drink etc or if they have been set upon.
I think they have helped in many cases of disturbance etc and people can be helped if spotted being attacked etc.
Lizx

This government has successfully laid the foundations for an oppressive police state, and nobody seems to have noticed: you can be held without charge for 42 days (plenty of time to make something up); a minister may make, amend, or repeal laws without the "burden" of due process (Legislative and Regulatory Reform Bill) - ripping up Magna Carta; you can be arrested under terrorism charges for heckling a politician; we are being watched wherever we are within the country. The ID card will be the icing on the cake - why so much detail required just to prove who you are? Why not register iris scans?

If you ever read the famous - or INfamous - Lisbon Treaty, you will find that it is a master-stroke of obfuscation. As for the demanded referendum, to refuse it is actually in direct contravention of the Treaty (Article 8A para. 3). A German politician summed it up, when referring to the Irish referendum - "Why should we allow 0.7% of the population of Europe decide its future?" Well, 70% of the population of Europe want referenda, however, 0.00000007% (the politicians) decide that they know what's best for us. Such is democracy, Europe-style.

You may have nothing to hide, but - believe me - you do have a lot to fear!

Agree totally, Robert.

I always wonder when people say things like 'I've got nothing to hide'. Hmmm. By consenting to ever increasing violations of privacy, where do the 'I've got nothing to hide' people draw the line?

Micro chip implants at birth? A national DNA register? CCTV in the living room? (to prevent terrorism)

And I fail to see how CCTV can make anyone safer.....look at the amount of crime caught on it! It can make it easier to watch someone getting beaten up, granted, but it doesn't stop it!

I think this generation will be the last to experience any degree of freedom. Our lives are more regulated every day and people fall for the 'its necessary to combat crime/terrorism/benefit fraud' or whatever.

I also have nothing to hide.......but then again..

I dont feel the need to wear a hoodie either!

Need i say more?

Great Gran Gerri (without a hoodie. I also pull me knickers n trousers up!) lol

PS...Like you say Eldrick...it is coming to that and soon!

How can you shout,,*my privacy * is being invaded when CCTV is put in public places,!

They as Elderick quoted they dont stop crime but can make it easier to catch criminals caught on them.
How many criminals have got away with crimes in past years before CCTV,?

I dont have any problem with them,infact I think most people even forget they are there till its brought up in discussions,

My privacy is being invaded because images of me are being captured and stored for what purpose I am not aware. Actually, I am aware of what is possible...digital facial recognition is now a reality, numberplate recognition has been for some time now.

I make the point that it is fine now, but where do you stop....? When the politicians introduce the bill that says everyone must carry a personal transponder....to prevent crime or whatever....do you say 'Well, its no worse than CCTV, so we will just accept it'?

Lets just say that you have been overheard in the office criticising the national whatsit party....the office informant grasses you up and from then on you are under surveillance. Your habits are recorded, your routine logged, etc. When it suits them, you are detained without trial for 90 days.........far fetched?

Are you willing to take the chance?

But while you remain in a public area,you cant have total privacy,,invasion of privacy to me is when your private domain is invaded,

If they keep someone who could be linked to cause a threat to the people of this country then I support the 90days holding,

Do we want to see another Kings Cross happening,or the Birmingham --Brighton bombings?

This is where this bill would perhaps come into its own.

Its not new this country has known to hold information on people of this country for decades without thier knowledge,

Therein lies the rub!

Who is to say that the person is a threat to the country? When no court appearance is required, no judicial sanction - just the word of the state....to me, it is a terrifying prospect.

Yet there are parallels to it. In living memory in Europe. Was that fight for freedom - all that sacrifice - in vain? And I dont think thats being over dramatic either.

What price freedom, eh? lol

Anyway, CCTV only catches, or helps to catch - it doesnt prevent. If prevention was taken more seriously, there wouldnt be as much need for catching.

Well said, Eldrick!

On whose definition is someone a threat to the country?

Was Tsvirango (sp?) a threat to the security of Zimbabwe, or just to Mugabe?

How soon before a British PM uses similar logic? All the elements are in place, now, they only have to be activated.

btw, wasn't King's Cross caused by a faulty escalator?

What the government really should be addressing is the causes of crime - why do so many in this country feel that they are in some way above, or outside, the law? How can anyone justify theft, be it an old lady's pension, petty pilfering at work, shoplifting, or the contents of a bank?

Why do we consider it "manly" to strut the street, shouting and swearing, threatening people who object to it? Why is it so cool to get "bladdered", so drunk you lose complete control of your body?

Our society is sickening, and all we do is sit and watch - "they" will sort it out. "They" are doing as much about it as we are.