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Martyr or Murderess

erm....don't really care if I'm honest mate...hows you? lol

I adore her

havnt a clue

before my time

no Civil Registration index of births

but

Father James V
Mother Mary of Guise
Born 8 December 1542
London Palace, England
Died 8 February 1587 (aged 44)
Fotheringhay Castle, Northamptonshire
Burial Peterborough Cathedral; Westminster Abbey

ninja xx

Hi footie angel
i'm actually reading about her now
Called The Other Queen by Philippa Gregory
very good
Hazelx

spouse 3

James Earl of Bothwell Compact Disc #136 Pin #2924954 Pedigree
Sex: M

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Event(s)
Death: 1576



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Parents

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Marriage(s)
Spouse: Mary Stewart , Queen of Scots Disc #136 Pin #2925044
Marriage: abt 1567

a very interestin story she was a bit of a t@rt

I don't think she was either really. She was implicated in murder plots but isn't it only the Babington Plot there's any real certainty that she was involved in?

I wouldn't call her a martyr either - her religion may have been part of the reason for her execution but it wasn't the cause.

I don't think she was a bit of a tart either. She was a woman living in difficult times in a difficult position.

She marries a French King to gain control of France, then he dies France kicks her back 2 Scotland, she marries the dashing Darnley but he does not suit her esp cos he's constantly drunk and a no mark so she turns her attentions to the Italian Rizzio who soon after is killed by Darnley and she vows revenge on Darnley not long later she espies Bothwell who becomes lead suspect when Darnley's house explodes and he is found dead in his garden then her biggest mistake she marries Bothwell the people revolt she dumps him and hot foots it to England, Elizabeth and her death

Was she beheaded at Fotheringhay or Naseby?

It was Fotheringhay she had been a prisoner ther sometime wen Elizabeth gav the order

"Henry II, was now proposing to unite France and Scotland by marrying the little Queen to his three-year old son, the Dauphin François.

With her marriage agreement in place, five-year-old Mary was sent to France in 1548 to spend the next thirteen years at the French court."

Mary was very young when her husband died and she returned to Scotland... politicly naive I am sure, and surrounded by factions who sought control... Her marriage/s did not work out, she may have made mistakes romantically and politically yes... but a tart ? I don't see it that way.

Not Martyr...Murderess perhaps only in the sense that she did not, or could not , prevent murder being done by those close to her...

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Mary Queen of Scots, one of the most tragic of Queens.

Only 6 days old, her father James V died, leaving her mother, Mary of Guise alone with a 6 day old baby; they had to be moved to Stirling Castle for their own safety where on 9 September 1543 she was crowned the Infant Queen.

Henry VIII wanting an alliance between England and Scotland proposed a marriage between his son Edward and the infant Mary. His proposal rejected, he declared war and to cut a long story short, poor Mary had to leave the comfort of her mother's arms to be placed firstly in the security of the priory of Inchmahome, then Dunbarton Castle from which she could easily be taken to France.

Ten years later she married the Dauphine of France ... again a tragic ending, she was utterly inconsolable following his death after only two years of marriage.

and so it went on ...

I agree she was no martyr although she reckoned she was doin it all for the good or her country but a murderess yes she had men twisted round her lil finger ~ as for bein a t@rt well who knows the truth

Mel, she was only 15 when she married Francois - it was her Guise relations that were after control not her. And there's no real evidence that she and Rizzio were lovers, only that he supported her when Darnley didn't. If, as believed, she only had sex with her three husbands that hardly makes her a tart even if the last relationship began while she was still married to Darnley.

well if three sexual partners in a lifetime makes one a tart..... I had better have my Christmas name up sharpish lol ;)

Rose xx AKA RR the Christmas tart.... :)

Rose, I dursn't think what I would be called :s

shame I like t@rts yes she was 15 and wen he died she was bareley 19 tis such a shame wudda bin nice 4 avin a t@rt queen I still fink she n Rizzio wer at it and it was very streamy