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My paternal grandmother, Gladys Florence Thompson, was born in c October 1898. Her mother I think was Eliza Annie or vice versa Thompson. Granny was the result of a 'liaison' between her mother and the younger son of Eliza's employers. Needless to say, we believe her mother was sent from the house when it was found she was pregnant. -(:

Granny is listed in the 1901 census as an "adopted" daughter of George Tee - it is actually LEE not Tee. However, two questions come to mind. I cannot identify my great grandmother because I don't know her date of birth or where she was born. I've assumed she was born in the Surrey area, as that's where granny was adopted and grew up, but I really don't know. I know people, especially young girls in service, very often moved from their home town. Also, I don't know the name of the family she worked for, as this may give some clue as to the father. When I went up to the GRO many years ago, I remember looking up granny's birth record and made a note of her mother's name, but unfortunately, running out of time, I took this side of the family no further.

My granny married Arthur Edward Ealden in circa February 1923 and they had a son (my dad), Eric George Ealden, born December 1923 - granny also maintained they were married when dad was conceived and he was an 8 month baby. She was so adamant about this, I certainly believe her. She felt the stigmatism of her illegitimacy!

My plea is this: if anyone has a Eliza Annie, or Annie Eliza Thompson in their family who had an illegitimate daughter that she had "adopted" by a family called Lee, please contact me. My immediate family tree is incomplete and I would dearly love to rectify this. Thank you
Carole Nowell (neé EALDEN)

Check the names on Search Trees to see if anyone has them in their tree. However if Eliza.s baby was later "adopted" ie fostered with the Lee family then maybe any descendants of Eliza wouldn't be aware she had a baby

is this Gladys?

Name: Gladys Florence Thompson
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1898
Registration district: Guildford
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume: 2a
Page: 72

she must have been fostered out very soon after birth. Maybe Eliza needed to return to work and did pay the lee family for Gladys.s keep

still fostered with the Lee family in 1911
1911 England Census about Gladys Thompson
Name: Gladys Thompson
Age in 1911: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1899
Relation to Head: Nurse Child (Nurse)
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Woking, Surrey, England
Civil parish: Horsell
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street Address: Birch House, Horsell Birch
Occupation: School
Registration district: Chertsey
Registration District Number: 32
Sub-registration district: Chobham
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household schedule number: 112
Piece: 3017
Household Members:
Name Age
George Lee 68
Matilda Lee 54
Esther Hunt 21
Ada Croucher 22
Alfred Smith 22
Gladys Thompson 12
Source Citation: Class: RG14; Piece: 3017; Schedule Number: 112.


nurse child was the term used for fostered .

You really need to know the correct name for Gladys,s mum

How do you know Gladys was the result of a liaison with the employers son?

took a look on the 1901 for a Thompson as a servant in the Surrey are and this one shows however she was only with her employer.

Name: Annie E Thompson
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation: Servant
Where born: Vincardine, Scotland
Civil parish: Croydon
Ecclesiastical parish: Thornton Heath St Paul
Town: Croydon
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Croydon
Sub-registration district: Croydon
ED, institution, or vessel: 62
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 78
Piece: 644
Folio: 166
Page Number: 14
Household Members:
Name Age
Richard F Russell 58 occ newspaper proprietor .own a/c
Annie E Thompson 37 general domestic servant

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 644; Folio: 166; Page: 14.

or this one

Name: Annie Thompson
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Barton on Humber, Lincolnshire, England
Civil parish: Barnes
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:general servant

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Richmond
Sub-registration district: Mortlake
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 137
Piece: 679
Folio: 89
Page Number: 21
Household Members:
Name Age
May O Crutcher 69
Rosaline A Crutcher 47
Marion A Parker 33
Marjorie Parker 3
Dorothy R Parker 2
Gwendoline R Parker 1
Annie Thompson 30
Edwin Pitt 25

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 679; Folio: 89; Page: 21.

a bit of a needle in a haystack I think without more info on Eliza/Anne.

Presume you haven't got Gladys birth cert ?? It may have a home address on it for the mum that can checked on the 1901 census

Thank you all for your suggestions.

As I said above, I got granny's mother's name from the birth register up in London, but it was late in the day and they were wanting to close up so we had to leave before I could investigate further. However, I will check my family certificates - don't think I've got a full certificate for granny, so perhaps I will have to order this as my next move.
Carole

Hello all,

Found the birth certificate for Gladys Florence Thompson :-) (granny). It states that Eliza Annie Thompson (HOUSEMAID) was the mother and she lived at 4 Boundary villas, Boundary Road, Woking. Registered 1st December 1898. Granny's birthday was actually 26th October 1898, so it's a bit of surprise that it took over a month to register the birth! :-|

For Ref:-

Address: 4, Boundary Villas, Boundary Road, Woking

County: Surrey
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
GIBSON, Frederick W Head Married M 28 1873 Corn Dealer & Salesman
Chertsey, Surrey
GIBSON, Louisa Wife Married F 31 1870
Codford, Wiltshire
GIBSON, Gertrude A Daughter F 4 1897
Woking, Surrey
GIBSON, William C Son Single M 2 1899
Woking, Surrey
HEAD, Alice Sister-In-Law Married F 29 1872 Wife Of Reservist Abroad
Codford, Wiltshire

Occupants of Boundary Villas in 1901, haven't found 1891.

Does Gladys give a father´s name on her marriage cert?
I presume she doesn´t.
Do you have any idea where Eliza went after the birth?

Um, to answer your questions in order:

The father's name on the granny's marriage certificate is Gibson Lee.
I can find no trace of Eliza either in1881 or 1891 or 1901 or 1911. There are several Eliza Annie Thompsons in the births but because I don't know where she came from, I've no idea which would be correct.

As an indication, my mum's dad's mother(!) met and married my great-grandad in Buckinghamshire, but actually came from Liverpool.
As far as Eliza is concerned like someone said a needle in a haystack!!!! I shall keep dipping in and out of Genes Reunited, so thank you all for the time being. :-) :-) :-)

So her dad given as Gibson Lee the surname of the two families she was with 1901Fred Gibson 1911 George Lee.

Frederick W Gibson married Louisa kellow in 1893.She was born Wiltshire 1869/70.

1891 Woking D2 > 15
Louisa Kellow at George lee born 1843 the same person as Gladys is with 1911
Also here is a Fred Lee son age 18.So is this Frederick W Gibson!!!!

1911 4,Spencer St Boundary Road.
Frederick W Gibson is now Gibson-Lee
Louisa Gibson-Lee
Gertrude Annie Gibson-Lee 1896 died 1920
William Charles Gibson-Lee 1898 died 18/91918 parents at 171,Boundary Rd at time of his death.
Reginald George Gibson-Lee 1902
Dorothy May Gibson-Lee 1904

George lee married Matilda Gibson A/M/J 1874 in Chertsey
Matilda Gibson born 1856 reg Chertsey
She had Frederick William Gibson 1873 he became Gibson-lee.

Matilda lee in 1891
Horsall Surrey D 2 > 17 down as servant but actually on original staes she is a certified midwife.

Maryb.

Ah, thank you Mary. I will look into this further at a later date. (I'm in the middle of an OU degree course at present and need to concentrate on completing this instead of being distracted!!) :-( I keep "dipping" into family history when I should be composing my next essay. lol

So we know now that Matilda who married George lee was a certified midwife so maybe she delivered Gladys.

Maryb.

Here's a marriage very close to Woking:

Marriages Jun 1901
Ayling Moses John Chertsey 2a 87
Thompson Eliza Ann Chertsey 2a 87

Rose

The Eliza Ann above was born 1875 in Bruton Somerset.
1901 Send Ripley Surrey D1 > 18 she was a housemaid.
A tree on Ancestry has her on and states she had son Henry Victor Thomson in Somerset 13/10/1896.

Her parents were Henry Thompson 1832 Someset and harriett 1841.
Henry Victor thompson with Harriett in 1901.

Maryb.

Seems like that could be her.

Someone called Tony looks to have Henry in his tree on here. Has him born Wincanton though.

Rose

Children with Moses:

Births Dec 1901
AYLING Elsie Maud Guildford 2a 77

Births Dec 1903
Ayling Leslie John Chertsey 2a 66

Births Dec 1905
Ayling Timothy Reginald Chertsey 2a 60

Rose

I can't find Henry Victor thompson in 1911 his gran Harriet Thompson is in institution/Hospital.
He was in East Yorks reg in 1913 .
He died in Yoevil 1975.

Maryb.