General Chat

I think that prostitution was Legal in those times.The programme was good,a little bit about WW1,her relative got killed, the rest was a laugh. I wonder if Bill Roach will have it in there that he was an Officer in the Arab Legion,? as for lots of things being wrong :-D it was,nt Eve eating the Apple it was Adam for trying to eat a Pear. :-D :-D

I did not enjoy the first half hour as we have had WW! in nearly all of this series up to now in one form or other.

It got miles better then.

But we have to remember her profession was legal in those days.

Also I was very surprised they thought Rosa was Lewis Child, was she as if one of her daughters was in the profession and he had a child out of wed lock she would have had the surname of her grandmother.

But at first Lewis was spelt Louis then Lewis so in some instances to me it did not add up.

According to Wikipedia, prostitution per se has always been legal, Merlin. Quite right. But doing it on the street has been a criminal offence since 1824. And running a brothel has always been an offence too. So Mrs Braham was breaking the law.

Yes I thought it was the best of the series - and very interesting. The photos from the photographer looked excellent, and he certainly played a major part in saving many lives in WW1 and was a real hero. The brothel was certainly a world I knew nothing of (pleased to say). But I would have been mortified to find someone like that in my ancestors. And what would Detective's ancestor have thought as she went about her business in the synagogue - just at the time when early Jewish immigrants were trying to establish themselves in late Georgian and early Victorian society? Families like D'Avigdor-Goldsmid, Disraeli, Nigel Lawson's gt gt grandfather etc.

How very judgemental you are John. I never judge my ancestors - life was so very different to what it is today.

I judge all of mine, Sue. If I have sufficient facts to judge them. Most I judge to have been quite nice and hardworking and honest. One or two (usually at top end of society) I am deeply ashamed to be associated with. One was involved in slavery, one booted Irish people out of Ireland for Cromwell.

And I would not like to have a brothel keeper in my lot, though I would record it and not hide the fact. But given the choice of being poor and respectable or making a fortune out of slavery, clearances or brothel keeping, I would choose poor and respectable 100 times out of 100.

Life involves judging - you have just judged me. ;-)

I said I would never judge my ancestors, John simply because I think it unfair to judge them by our standards.

I don't judge you John because I don't know you - I judge the things you say at times.

Sue You must give the biography writers of historical characters a wide berth. I have never seen one just present facts. Suspect no one would buy it anyway.

Have just been thinking of my "boring" 66 years today. So much that nobody knows, much I don't want them to know. But I have stood in 11 Downing St talking to Kenneth Clarke, I was a college friend of Lord Elis Thomas, I had Sunday tea when I was 7 yo (1953) with my "uncle Frank", his elderly mother and Billy Wright, who was then soccer captain of England, I was top grocery manager in UK in 1976, nearly bankrupt, Methodist preacher for last 13 years and I was an atheist till 36yo. List goes on. And my life has been pretty boring, probably boring in comparison to yours..

I look at my ancestors and wonder what they did in their lives - their high points and achievements. And there may be several biographies there. And we would judge them, I'm sure :-) :-) That would be the enjoyable part for me.

I don't think of my life as boring John - but it would be by a lot of people's standards I'm sure. A very ordinary life but satisfying with hopefully a lot more to come.

Most of my ancestors were hardworking ordinary people - ag labs, road workers, ship builders and mariners. The backbone of the country I should think. Some poor as church mice and others who did well for themselves. The decisions they all made make me who I am today including my parents who brought me to Australia because they believed I would have a better life here.

Hurray. At least we can communicate on this thread, Sue. Can I write your biography and you write mine.

Suspect you will come out a much nicer person :-D

I doubt my life would fill a book, John.

This is interesting

http://www.english.uwosh.edu/roth/Prostitution.htm

I don't judge my ancestors, I put myself in their shoes.
Some (g grandmother for a start) were hypocrites - she told my gran she shouldn't marry my grandad as he was 'soiled goods' ie a widower.
This was a year after she'd married her 'husband' of over 20 years, and had 9 children by him - why the marriage?
His first wife had died!!!
Methinks (in fact I know) g grandma wanted granny (eldest child) to move back home to help her with the younger children as, at 47
- g grandad was 62 - she was about to have child number 10!!!

I also want to understand why another g grandad's brother tried to derail a train ,and why he was living in a place 'other than with his parents' (well, mum & stepdad) in a small village.
Newspaper reports lead me to believe he was a beligerant so and so, but I want to understand more. What made him a sullen little sh@t when his brother (my g grandad) became a policeman and was a very moralistic, but kind man, according to my (slightly wayward in her youth) gran?

My judgment is that yoiu were a beautiful bride, Maggie. When you say the brother of your great grandda was a sullen little sh*t, how is that putting yourself in his shoes. Is it not an opinion or judgment either by yourself or someone closer to him?

I am beginning to think I am a lot less judgmental than either Sue or yourself. But you do look lovely in that photo (seriously)

I would have loved to have found a brothel keeper in my family :-D

I've got one, but not on the Jewish side :-D

In 1871 my grt x 3 uncle and his wife were jailed for 3 months hard labour in Essex. The charge was for 'keeping a bawdy and disorderly house' also described in a newspaper report as a 'house of infame'.

He wasn't mentioned in his fathers Will!

hmmmmm...well I DO have a spare room and I am near a railway station and have always fancied a month in Tuscany...sooooooo...but I hasten to add...only willing wimmen and foolish men allowed :-D :-D :-D

Disgraceful, BC :-0 :-0 :-0

If I was your father, I would smack your bottom hard ;-)

Well, I enjoyed last nights episode with William Roache.
The thing is, I asked myself why, the 3 girls were separated and moved away from Albert, there was no mention as to why Zilla still travelled and left her children behind? Or did I miss something?

It was nice to see the history behind Alton Towers and those old pictures were fantastic!

It is just possible that all the photos were taken by Albert.

how many of us have had children sleep over on census night.

I think too many assumptions were made.......and he can certainly talk for England....there wasn't much time left for research.

Had to tape it so haven't seen it yet.

Next week is Celia Imrie who traces her family
back to the 17th century, now this looks to be
an interesting one.

Emma