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Janene

Janene Report 7 Jan 2013 14:10

Hi there,

I have been researching my family history for a few years now and have just come across my great grandad was enlisted in the above. This was from Sep 1915 to 1918 where he apparently states he was medically discharged!

I just really would like to know whether he stayed in Australia or came back to the UK?

Frederick Henry Coppard b1883 Tonbride, m1909 Bromley......

GlasgowLass

GlasgowLass Report 7 Jan 2013 14:20

A man named Frederick Henry Coppard appears on the Ausralian Electoral Rols in Swan, Western Australia in 1925.

ThAustralian Electoral Rolls, 1903-1980
about Frederick Henry Coppard
Name: Frederick Henry Coppard
Gender: Male
Electoral Year: 1925
State: Western Australia
District: Swan
Subdistrict: Northam

is man was a labourer and there is no one else called Coppard in the household

Also:
England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2006
about Frederick H Coppard
Name: Frederick H Coppard
Birth Date: abt 1883
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1968
Age at Death: 85
Registration district: Bexley
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 5a
Page: 143

Janene

Janene Report 7 Jan 2013 14:25

Yes that certainly looks like him! Thank you very much.

I did have that he died in Bexley in 1968? Mmm, wonder when he came back to the UK.

GlasgowLass

GlasgowLass Report 7 Jan 2013 14:30

Do you know his occupation?

A 39yr old man named FH Coppard ( A victualler) travelled fro Australia to London 21 Apr 1921 aboard the Beltana.

Adeline

Adeline Report 7 Jan 2013 14:59

His army service details (41 pages) are on the National Archives of Australia website. Hope the link works!

http://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/scripts/Imagine.asp?B=3417548

Janene

Janene Report 7 Jan 2013 15:38

Thank you for your help, this is amazing and so kind of you all.

Obviously there is a gap from 1925 to 1968 when he died in Bexley,Kent. Where would I need to look for the gap years? Could some-one help with pointing me in the right direction please.

GlasgowLass

GlasgowLass Report 7 Jan 2013 15:58

Hi Janene,
There are evidently a few men called Frederick Henry Coppard who were born around the same time.
In your opening thread it says that Frederick married in 1909 yet the Australian Military Record from 1915 ( widowed mother Eliza in Kent) states he was unmarried?
You seem to know that this man was your g grandfather, meaning that you descend from a child ( your grandparent).
Where and when was the child born? I am assuming that it was England before the enlistment in OZ?

Also, a man called Frederick H Coppard married Ellen K Barbour in Rochford 1924.

Another, FHC bc 1885 whose father was called Marshall Coppard. This one died shortly after being discharged from the British Army in 1915.

Are you certain of the birth details and the parents for your FHC?

GlasgowLass

GlasgowLass Report 7 Jan 2013 16:29

Think I am getting somewhere...
The man who enlisted in OZ was the son of William and Eliza.

His sister was called Eliza Jane Coppard, married William Yeates in Kent in 1903 She can be found with her mother and her children in Kent but is then found in SWAN, WA from 1916 onwards until her death in 1956

Australia Death Index, 1787-1985
about Eliza Jane Yeates
Name: Eliza Jane Yeates
Death Place: Western Australia
Age: 78
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Eliza
Registration Year: 1956
Registration Place: Perth, Western Australia
Registration number: 1360
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878

Janene

Janene Report 7 Jan 2013 17:45

He was married to my grandads mother (whom we fund out when he passed away that she put him up for adoption!).
I know that he was to Ethel Harriett Weeden/on in 1909 Bromley but later divorced 1921....
Court for Divorce and Matrimonial Causes, later Su... J 77/1816/6611
Divorce Court File: 6611. Appellant: Frederick Henry Coppard. Respondent: Ethel Coppard. Type: Husband's petition for divorce [hd]. . Divorce Court File: 6611. Appellant: Frederick Henry Coppard. Respondent: Ethel Coppard.
Date: 1921
It is so confusing and am finding it hard to find him!!!!

Janene

Janene Report 7 Jan 2013 17:59

His parents were William and Eliza Coppard.

Choccy

Choccy Report 7 Jan 2013 18:22




London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965

Name: Frederick H Coppard
Year: 1964
County or Borough: Bexley
Ward or Division/Constituency: Wickham East
Street Address: 89 Darenth Road
Reference Number: LCC/PER/B/2993


living with Ellen K Coppard


Choccy

Choccy Report 7 Jan 2013 18:27



?

England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2006

Name: Ellen Kathleen Coppard
Birth Date: 19 Oct 1900
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1970
Age at Death: 70
Registration district: Greenwich
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 5b
Page: 1191


GlasgowLass

GlasgowLass Report 7 Jan 2013 18:36

I see it now.
As his sister was in Swan, WA from 1916 onwards, and FHC seems to there at 1925, I can only assume that he was already a divorced man when he returned to the UK
( don't know how far in advance an Australian ER is prepared)

If the man who died in Bexley in 1968, is your g grandfather, then he is the same man who married Ellen K Barbour in 1924 as per info on UK Electoral Roll provided by Choccy.

Choccy

Choccy Report 7 Jan 2013 18:51



I can find three females born to that marriage from 1926 to 1931 in the Bromley registration district.


They can be found here -


http://www.freebmd.org.uk


Janene

Janene Report 7 Jan 2013 19:06

Thank you so much.

I will look on now with the info you all have given me. ;-) ;-)

GlasgowLass

GlasgowLass Report 7 Jan 2013 19:09

Janene,
England & Wales, Birth Index, 1916-2005
about Irene Coppard
Name: Irene Coppard
Mother's Maiden Surname: Weeden *****
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1923
Registration district: Bromley
Inferred County: Surrey,Kent
Volume Number: 2a
Page Number: 1000 (click

It may or may not be relevant.

Kay????

Kay???? Report 7 Jan 2013 19:20


His WW1 Australian records show on entry 13/9 1915,

Born Tunbridge Wells.
age 32.

Service number--9561
single.

a fetler?-(foundry)

had been a reserve for 3 years.

Mother -Eliza Coppard -widow -Bromley? Kent.
Father - Deceased.

He returned to England 24/6/1917.

Returned to Australia.

Discharged--22 Sept 1919.

He had been in a military hospital in Freemantle for,,,V/Viens and severe conjuncuvitus in both eyes..

He did go to France at some [oint ,he was awarded the WW1 trio of medals...1914/1915.Star,,,,,British and Service medals.

GlasgowLass

GlasgowLass Report 7 Jan 2013 19:25

Some info on sister, Eliza Jane Coppard:
1911 England Census
about Eliza Jane Yates
Name: Eliza Jane Yates
[Eliza Jane Coppard]
Age in 1911: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Tunbridge Wells, Kent, England
Civil parish: Bromley
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street Address: 43 Napier Road, Masons Hill, Bromley, Kent
Marital Status: Married
Registration district: Bromley
Registration District Number: 42
Sub-registration district: Bromley
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Household schedule number: 131
Piece: 3644
Household Members: Name Age
Eliza Coppard 59
Eliza Jane Yates 32
Bernard Yates 5
Eva Yates 4

Eliza Jane, children Bernard and Eva together with 22yr old Ellen Coppard travelled to Freemantle. WA aboard the Armadale.
They arrived in Westen Australia on 4 May 1913

Husband's death:
Australia Death Index, 1787-1985
about William James Yeates
Name: William James Yeates
Death Place: Western Australia
Age: 85
Registration Year: 1965
Registration Place: Perth, Western Australia
Registration number: 350
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880


Children from 1911 return
Australia Death Index, 1787-1985
about Bernard William Yeates
Name: Bernard William Yeates
Death Place: Western Australia
Age: 64
Father's Name: William J
Mother's Name: Eliza J
Registration Place: Perth, Western Australia
Registration number: 216/70

Australia Death Index, 1787-1985
about Eva Yeates
Name: Eva Yeates
Death Place: Western Australia
Age: 50
Father's Name: William J
Mother's Name: Eliza J
Registration Year: 1957
Registration Place: Perth, Western Australia
Registration number: 1807
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1907


Anne




Janene

Janene Report 7 Jan 2013 20:17

Wow, this is fantastic. Thank you so much :-D

+++DetEcTive+++

+++DetEcTive+++ Report 7 Jan 2013 21:02

Have you seen this?

https://www.deceasedonline.com/servlet/GSDOSearch

(Deceased online)

Cremation Register summary
last name Coppard
first names Frederick Henry
Cremation date 4 Jun 1968
Authority Eltham Crematorium
Location Eltham Crematorium (Greenwich)
Date of death 28 May 1968

Cremation Register summary
last name Coppard
first names Ellen Kathleen
Cremation date 6 Jan 1971
Authority Eltham Crematorium
Location Eltham Crematorium (Greenwich)
Date of death 29 Dec 1970

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