General Chat

No Karen. Though I'm tempted to go in, in 'normal' clothes (that'll be jeans) and ask for one. I'd be interested to see their reaction.
Would I have to be a Moslem, probably not, but if so, how would they expect me to prove it?
I'd also love to keep a fiver (all I'd put in the account) in Lloyds for perpetuity. :-D

I hope to goodness you weren't wearing your abaya and the full Monty, Maggie :-)

I went into Lloyds Bank yesterday, in search of the best pound to euro exchange.
I was intrigued to see a leaflet entitled 'Islamic account' - from one of the worst perpetrators of the 'we'll steal you money by calling it insurance' scandal. :-S

It states:
No debit or credit interest
No planned overdraft
Money will not be invested in any interest-based activities
No bank charges if you stay in credit
No minimum balance

They promise that they won't make a payment if there's not enough money in your account - but will allow a (Free) unplanned overdraft of £10.

Basically it's what a 'normal' account should be, but with no interest - but where can you get a current account that pays any worthwhile interest anyway?

Women wearing a veil at airports are taken to one side by a female, and their faces checked against their PP.

There is something about strict muslims not charging/being allowed to charge/accepting interest on loans. In their view, even 'official' loans such as mortgages or Student loans are Usery.

As long as they don't earn interest on a bank account, they can still use a bank. I think that some mortgages are set up so that the interest is calculated at the start and added on to the loan to be paid off during the term.

Sue ..."slowest person on the planet who is incapable of finding whatever they need in order to be served). " You too? lol.

Due to where I live I have seen only a couple of recognisable Muslims in 30 years. I don't visit other areas in the UK very often so have absolutely no knowledge about integration in any cities. I am ashamed to say I have to rely on the media for information.

I take Rose's point about not knowing who you are standing next too (with me it's usually the slowest person on the planet who is incapable of finding whatever they need in order to be served).

I have lots of questions forming in my mind but have to start packing! Hopefully back later this evening. Thanks to everyone who have contributed so far

:-D

Actually Brian & SC that is a very good point. I was asked to remove my sun glasses at the airport check in last year, what is the ruling regarding removal of Burka's? Please do not think I am beging anti Muslim or racist, I am simply making observations.

How do you know for sure it's a woman and harmless?

Brian you don't, any more than you would know if the man standing next to you was an IRA bomber, or a bomber of any sort...they don't come with a label... the 7/7 bombers were not 'hidden' behind a burka, female suicide bombers often are...but that doesn't make someone not wearing it 'safe' nor someone wearing it 'unsafe'.

As far as I am aware there has been no law passsed in UK against wearing full face covering on religious grounds in a bank or other business premises or in public, I imagine if identity confirmation was required be down to the bank ( as a business) to ask the person to remove the veil to compare to a passport photo for instance, and this would be done before a woman cashier?

Has anyone ever seen a woman wearing a face veil in a bank? I think strict muslims have rules about banks and money.

"Does anyone know what the rule is regarding a customer entering a bank with head/face covered? As in all motorcyclists must remove their safety helmet. Stupid question but I'm interested."
Not a stupid question: one that I've often pondered.
I'm sure that if I went into a bank wearing a mask something drastic would happen.
With a burka it's assumed that the wearer is a woman and harmless, but how do you know for sure?

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Most mainstream churches (including most of C of E) now accept that there are specified roles in any church, but they can be carried out by men AND women. Go round the churches and chapels where you live and, if you have not been to church for many years, you may get quite a surprise. A warm welcome in most of them and probably either a lady churchwarden or deacon, and a lady preaching.

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They even let women perform marriage ceremonies *shock* my youngest's marriage conducted by a lovely lady vicar (Methodist).

That small point was lost.

Does anyone know what the rule is regarding a customer entering a bank with head/face covered? As in all motorcyclists must remove their safety helmet. Stupid question but I'm interested.

I understand the context perfectly well, John, I need no lesson from you. Please stop being so patronising.

I made it clear I was talking about sects, not mainstream Christian churches. The minority. Just as extremist muslims are the minority.

As for your defence of Paisley, that's so nauseating and blatantly wrong, as Rose has already pointed out, that I will not dignify it with a response.

And Paul was a mysogynist - a few of his words on women-

Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head. But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven. For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered. For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man. For the man is not of the woman: but the woman of the man. Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.

It seems to me that Paul would approve of the muslim veil.

He said plenty more but I can't be bothered to find it.

Dreadful man.

'I wasn't wearing a burka at the time' ............excellent :-D

The media are not interested in preachers who 'preach' love and peace, that's why you won’t see them on the news!

They seek out the radicals, it sells, and it evokes 'hatred' and creates more news.

The sad thing is, some people believe a news article and don't have the intelligence to challenge it.


1990 Iraq Conflict (no no, not a war...conflict)


‘Iraqi soldiers are killing and maiming British troops'

.............later in the same article

‘Allied forces are taking out enemy lines’


Clever use of words don’t you think!

Paisley before his 'resurrection' as a man who could do no wrong! Do you forget the 70s John when his malevolence was screamed through the tv screens....or weren't you interested then ? or is it because he is a preacher he is let off the hook?!

"I denounce you, Anti-Christ! I refuse you as Christ's enemy and Antichrist with all your false doctrine."
Ian Paisley
Addressed at Pope John Paul II on a visit to the European Parliament October 1988.

"They breed like rabbits and multiply like vermin.
Ian Paisley
Of Catholics, to loyalist rally in 1969. "


"Catholic homes caught fire because they were loaded with petrol bombs; Catholic churches were attacked and burned because they were arsenals and priests handed out sub-machine guns to parishioners.
Ian Paisley
After a loyalist rally in 1968, he justified the burning of Catholic homes. "

"This Romish man of sin is now in Hell!
Ian Paisley
On the death of Pope John XXIII. "

Just because you claim he never singled out an individual Catholic ( the Pope doesn't count I guess !?) does not mean a fig...in fact it is much worse, because he ranted against a whole group of his fellow men without knowing them as 'individuals'. Bigotry of the very worst kind.

To hate another individual is one thing, to hate a whole group because they follow something 'different' to you is an abomination!

I would defend Ian Paisley to the hilt. He was a very popular man amongst his Catholic electorate because he was a good MP. And he preached very many times and there are tapes available of his preaching.

And if anyone can find one word of hate for an individual Roman Catholic in any of those hundreds of hours, I will stand to be corrected. But you will not find it.

And, as for women being subordinate in certain Christian sects, that is just a variation on the "lie" that St Paul was a mysoginist. Paul wrote that, in early churches, men and women were EQUAL in the eyes of God and had different roles to play in the church.

One has to understand the context. Early churches were a mixture of people from the Jewish faith and the Greek culture. It was like trying to get Islamic dissidents and breakaways from the Liberal Democrat party to get on together.

Most mainstream churches (including most of C of E) now accept that there are specified roles in any church, but they can be carried out by men AND women. Go round the churches and chapels where you live and, if you have not been to church for many years, you may get quite a surprise. A warm welcome in most of them and probably either a lady churchwarden or deacon, and a lady preaching. :-)

I was particularly referring to Muslims.

Yes, I expect that there are many, many good and peaceful ones, but there are also many who are not, just look at some of their preachers around the world, Iran, Iraq, Pakistan Afghanistan, etc. all spouting their hatred.

Yes I think there are problems in all so called religions, take for instance how the Catholics hierarchy covered up that their priests were abusing children.

regarding Ian paisley, weren't priests or vicars whatever you call them supporting the IRA over in Ireland.? and condoning murder and violence.

George

Bit of a sweeping statement George!

I remember so -called Presbyterian preachers preaching hate, shouting vile statements and encouraging violence.

Oh - sorry it wasn't every Presbyterian Preacher it was Ian Paisley.

What I find disturbing is that the so called preachers in the Muslim faith, is that they preach hatred, and violence, and Jihad, what kind of religion is that.??

Then again, I dislike all religions.

George

There are several "Christian" sects long established in this country who do not conform to so-called normal British behaviour. They dress modestly, do not mix with people outside their sect, believe that men are superior to women and that women should not work outside the home.

Some do not believe in voting at all. Others educate their children away from the influence of "normal" British children.

Should we tell them to leave as well?

:-D I admit to putting acantankerous child between me and A.N, Other - just to get rid of them.

I wasn't wearing a burka at the time :-D