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Should Catholic Priests be allowed to marry ???

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SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 26 Feb 2013 23:22

hmmmmmmmmmm


Eastern Catholic churches all recognize the central role of the Bishop of Rome within the College of Bishops and his infallibility when speaking ex cathedra


....... but they don't take any part in the election of the Pope, do they??


They have Patriarchs of the various churches included under the term Easter Catholic.

JustJohn

JustJohn Report 26 Feb 2013 23:24

Sylvia. Yes, you are right. Celibacy promises were a requirement from 11?? onwards. Joeva suggested it was to do with inheritance going to priest's family rather than church.

But probably many of us are well aware that our family trees (mine being one) include a "celibate" priest. I would imagine that parish priests in England from earliest days till Henry VIII were often married men with families.

SueMaids edited version of post seems to support that. Now to have a read at the whole article she posted :-) :-)

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 26 Feb 2013 23:24

We have several of these Eastern Churches in Vancouver, and in Canada .......... Byzantine, Greek Orthodox, Albanian, etc


The churches, inside and out, are glorious!

SueMaid

SueMaid Report 26 Feb 2013 23:36

My favourite religious building is the Nan Tien Buddhist temple - the largest in the southern hemisphere. It is only about 10 minutes from where I live. It's so peaceful and welcoming to all religions. They hold gentle excercise classes, meditation and have a small restaurant where you can sample true Chinese cooking. The Buddhist monks regularly join in community events such as Walk for Cancer etc. and also join in our local Clean Up Australia days. They are regularly seen shopping and walking lakeside. There were no major complaints when it was announced that it was to be built and is a real asset to our region.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 26 Feb 2013 23:40

yes, we have a Buddhist temple like that across the river from us.

I must say that, here, the Asian religions (Buddhist, Sikh, etc) seem to include the outside community in their churches / temples much more than do the various Catholic ones.


Or it may just be that we live closer to the former than we do to the latter.



Just incidentally, we have a Baptist church across the street from us .............. there are 3 congregations that share it. The Canadian Baptists own the church, while the Filippino and the Chinese Baptists each rent space ...........................


............ they've given up on us :-D

JustJohn

JustJohn Report 26 Feb 2013 23:42

I just think this is such a fascinating subject.

Many years ago, I was preaching in a large chapel in Buckinghamshire and took "marriage" as my theme. So I had to study relevant Bible passages quite closely. And I could not avoid the conclusion that celibacy was a good thing and marriage was second best. That was Pauls point in 1 Cor Chapter 7 verses 8-9 (sorry to sound like Dot Cotton). It is also the "make yourself a eunuch for Christ" point.

I truly think that churches should encourage celibacy if it right for the priest of whatever denomination. But also all churches should welcome married priests if they have a calling and family is supportive. I think both the Protestant tradition and the Catholic tradition are misinterpreting scriptural guidance. But I am sure I am missing something and, as usual, being too simplistic.:-)

eRRolSheep

eRRolSheep Report 26 Feb 2013 23:48

sheesh John - people really don't want to hear about your constant sermons. I am sure they are wonderful and the large congregations appreciate your guidance and knowledge but we don't all need to know how many sermons you have preached.

Might I suggest a sermon thread where you can tell us about your selected texts and how you interpreted them so that we can keep this thread on a focus

JustJohn

JustJohn Report 26 Feb 2013 23:52

I posted that last post, Errol, because I thought it was relevant to thread. Sorry you were not happy with it

SueMaid

SueMaid Report 26 Feb 2013 23:57

I thought it was relevant to the thread tbh.

eRRolSheep

eRRolSheep Report 27 Feb 2013 00:05

I think the point could have been made without saying, once again, "I was preaching".
Yes the content may well be relevant and would love to know the general thrust of the sermon as part of forming an opinion.

SueMaid

SueMaid Report 27 Feb 2013 00:09

I do see your point, Errol.

Muffyxx

Muffyxx Report 27 Feb 2013 00:28

As has been established the push for celibacy doesn't come from the bible So I'm beggared if I'm going to look up Bob chapter 76 verse 343 or whatever to double check on it's meaning when we know it's not relevant to this discussion as the need for celibacy is a man made direction.

To be honest I've ploughed through quite enough of it involuntarily to try keep abreast of the thread in case i miss something pertinent...but after Suemaid's posting I think it's a waste of time......priests used not to be celibate..then the catholic church..not god decided they needed to be...for purely financial purposes most likely..no scripture needed.

**slightly edited because it read wrong.

eRRolSheep

eRRolSheep Report 27 Feb 2013 00:42

Muffy I did once make a sermon based on Bob chapter 76 verse 343 in front of a trillion people.

They walked out before I had even reached the 97th minute of the sermon for some reason.

Cynthia

Cynthia Report 27 Feb 2013 08:22

Good morning.... :-)

I'm quite happy with the fact that my post from another thread was copied onto here.


JOHN - a word.

It may be better if you kept your past preachments on the Christian thread for the most part.


Whilst I am happy to glance through them, because you do make some interesting points, it seems as though not everyone wants to read them.


I too, have many Christian experiences and stories I could share with people on here and, at times it's very tempting but, as my mother would say......there is a time and a place!


Like you, I find faith topics absolutely fascinating and can usually natter away for England without falling out with anybody.

Hope this helps.



Thank you for your post Sue Maid.........very succinct and interesting.


Busy day ahead. :-)

Hayley   Empress of Drama

Hayley Empress of Drama Report 27 Feb 2013 09:10

Amen to that Cythia :-D

Susan10146857

Susan10146857 Report 27 Feb 2013 09:26

No.

In answer to the OP

Dermot

Dermot Report 27 Feb 2013 09:27

I'm not sure that we need a 'Press Censor' on these threads. It would be a pity to put up a barrier on some entertaining posts. There is usually no shortage of goodwill hereabouts.

'It is not only what we say, but also what we do not say, for which we are accountable'. (Apologies to Molière.)

JustJohn

JustJohn Report 27 Feb 2013 09:42

Will try to keep any sermons off threads. Just that I have spent quite a lot of time researching the Bible - particularly when people say St Paul said that or St Paul was a mysogonist. And he didn't, and he wasn't.

If some posters had to deal with the problems within small and disparate churches that Paul dealt with, or had to deal with the problems that Popes, Cardinals, Archbishops, Bishops and church leaders faced today keeping people together, they might just approach the subject of thread differently.

Have had this inner feeling since some Catholic leaders raised this issue of married priests some years ago that RC church was changing because of recruitment problems, not because they have re-studied what Paul and Jesus meant. That would be a wrong reason for change imho.

And Protestants (who claim to be Bible led) should accept Paul's teaching more on this point. All Christians need to celebrate celibacy in the 21st century, I think. Not celebrate celebrities.

I do try very hard to be "normal" and not preach. None of my work colleagues know. I was on threads on GR for several weeks before I admitted I was a preacher. Then it was "John a preacher lol" all the time.

Hope you will all understand that after 14 years of unpaid preaching about 40 times a year in various denominations, it is quite central to who I am and how I think. Sorry, I really don't mean to upset anybody at all.

Guinevere

Guinevere Report 27 Feb 2013 10:08

Sorry to veer off topic but some stuff is too daft to just ignore.

"Just that I have spent quite a lot of time researching the Bible - particularly when people say St Paul said that or St Paul was a mysogonist. And he didn't, and he wasn't." said John

You aren't the only one who has researched the Bible, John. In your opinion Paul wasn't a misogynist - in mine he was. I quoted chapter and verse (in Paul's own words) on another thread about this, and you ignored it, and I really can't be bothered to do it again. Greater brains than mine or yours have the same opinion as I do, so don't be so dismissive. It's open to debate and not a "fact".

Muffyxx

Muffyxx Report 27 Feb 2013 10:11

I'm glad it wasn't just me Guinevere...

If some posters had to deal with the problems within small and disparate churches that Paul dealt with, or had to deal with the problems that Popes, Cardinals, Archbishops, Bishops and church leaders faced today keeping people together, they might just approach the subject of thread differently.


....That paragraph made my teeth itch.

It's the underlying patronising tone that put my hackles up....