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eRRolSheep

eRRolSheep Report 24 Feb 2013 13:14

And according to food safety experts, if you look at value burgers (which is what much of this debacle is concerned about) horse meat would be about a quarter of the price of beef.

eRRolSheep

eRRolSheep Report 24 Feb 2013 13:03

Horse meat certainly is cheaper than beef.
Beef prices have rocketed recently due, in part, to the fact that huge numbers of cattle were slaughtered in the UK four or five years ago because the price of grain had increased so much. Farmers simply could not afford to raise beef cattle.
Since 2006 the price of beef has virtually doubled and is now fetching up to £3.80 a kilo.
Horse meat, on the other hand, sells globally for about £1.85 a kilo.

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 24 Feb 2013 12:38

and who are the poor these days?

supercrutch

supercrutch Report 24 Feb 2013 10:26

That's true Maggie but....in order for beef to be accepted at the abattoir it has to walk in and be passed by the examining human food consumption bodies. When we had the farm, a few times a call for help would go out for hubby to help get a cow back on it's feet. On it's feet and it's worth money, off it's feet and subsequently destroyed it's worth nothing.

Exactly the same principle would apply to horsemeat. We know horse has entered the human food chain by deception. Therefore nobody can know what condition that horse was in when it was processed. Dead before arrival at the abattoir, diseased, open wounds. Doesn't bear thinking about.

This is what should be fed to the poor? How insulting!





maggiewinchester

maggiewinchester Report 24 Feb 2013 10:08

Errol, your comment:

'Passing horse off as beef was purely economic - a burger made from horse is cheaper than a burger made from beef'

Horse meat isn't/shouldn't be cheaper than beef.
To raise a horse for consumption is a lot more expensive than beef - hence concerns about where this 'cheap' horsemeat came from.

Porkie_Pie

Porkie_Pie Report 24 Feb 2013 09:39

Susan101, I'm saying that where the product comes from is very important and if Horse was introduced into the food chain for human consumption in the UK then i would be happy to eat that product,

you can buy horse in the UK for human consumption but you have to go to specialist suppliers

But the contaminated Beef with horse meat has not gone through the correct checks or channels so their is a risk, that risk being you simply don't no if what your eating is safe as i said before the contaminated products were as a result of a criminal element in the food industry,

To summarise, I will ear meat from any animal but would not buy or eat anything thats come via a criminal source, Thats my choice

What anyone else will or will not do or eat is entirely up to them

Roy

ChAoTicintheNewYear

ChAoTicintheNewYear Report 24 Feb 2013 09:21

"Passing horse off as beef was purely economic"

Bull!! Passing horse off as beef was deceitful pure and simple.

Plus the fact that we have no idea where this horse meat was sourced from and what it contains. Knowing that there is horse meat in something and choosing to buy it is one thing. Being lied to about the contents of the products is another.

Susan10146857

Susan10146857 Report 24 Feb 2013 09:00

I don't really understand your logic PP. Are you saying that because 'you' don't mind, then neither should anyone else? Or maybe that because you or 'others' don't mind then you can't understand why any anyone else shouldn't?......Me, I can understand why others may like horsemeat, but I don't and don't expect to be deceived into buying it.

I really don't think the economics of the situation should have anything to do with deceit.

Porkie_Pie

Porkie_Pie Report 24 Feb 2013 01:29

Me too, I used to have it as a child and remember it was tasty,

Not had it as an adult but doesn't bother me, Ive eaten most animals over the years on my travels.

Roy

eRRolSheep

eRRolSheep Report 24 Feb 2013 01:24

Yes Roy - there are stringent rules in place based on HACCP which apply to meat products as well as others.

Susan I do eat and have eaten just about anything really. Passing horse off as beef was purely economic - a burger made from horse is cheaper than a burger made from beef,
As far as heads of countries having it on their menus is concerned - many probably already do. We are virtually the only nation that does not regularly eat horse. Personally I quite like it

Porkie_Pie

Porkie_Pie Report 24 Feb 2013 01:19

I used to work for Drive for a pack house that supplied 3 major supermarkets and a farmer who supplied several packer/processors who supplied major supermarkets and believe me If your load did not have the correct paperwork they would not even look at your load,

The people who have contaminated these products are criminals plain and simple, Would you really eat food offered to you down the pub from a man you've never met?

criminals sell drugs and the end user doesn't have a clue what else has been added to the substance being sold to them

This is no different

Roy

maggiewinchester

maggiewinchester Report 24 Feb 2013 01:02

Roy, from what I understand, in this country, anyway, farmers have to keep vast records on what drugs have been given to their animals, and when.
These records then follow the animal to the slaughterhouse, where they should be checked.

Not sure what happens abroad, but we can only presume EU countries should do the same thing.

maggiewinchester

maggiewinchester Report 24 Feb 2013 00:58

I won't Sue, cos I'm on mine :-D

If it isn't good enough for thieving politicians, it isn't good for those on a low income :-P

Porkie_Pie

Porkie_Pie Report 24 Feb 2013 00:58

Errol, Even fruit and veg are traceable to the farm and field they grew and any fertiliser used and if stored what chemicals where used when in storage and the soil is tested before planting and even the seed used to grow the fruit and veg are traceable in exactly the same way

Some supermarkets even name the farmer on their labels

You can buy some products at the cheaper end of the food chain that don't have the same level on traceability but not from a major supermarket

major supermarkets insist on farm assured produce and any farmer not registered with a farm assured produce number cannot supply them

That's for fruit and veg and I'm not totally sure about the full rules on meat products but i do no that the rules on meat products are more stringent

Roy

supercrutch

supercrutch Report 24 Feb 2013 00:43

To me there is no difference between mouldy grain being sent to Africa because it's food. The fact that rich countries consider it waste but they are being humanitarian by gifting it is crass hypocrasy. This smacks of the same attitude.

Can someone please shove me off my high horse ;-)

Porkie_Pie

Porkie_Pie Report 24 Feb 2013 00:41

The thing is it's not just mislabeled food, The meat in the product cannot be traced back to it's origin,

By testing they can test for most Drugs and other things that could affect how safe the meat is but these tests are only as good as the specimen provided for testing, and does not mean that all these products or individual packets are safe

They i doubt they will risk selling the products because their would be such an out cry if someone gets poisoned or dies

Roy

maggiewinchester

maggiewinchester Report 24 Feb 2013 00:34

We could put this a different way.
You go out to buy a washing machine.
A dishwasher is delivered.
Would you complain?
What would you think if the provider replied
'They both wash things - what are you compaining about?'

Yes, both beef and horsemeat are edible, but if I buy one, I want to be sure that's what I've bought.

maggiewinchester

maggiewinchester Report 24 Feb 2013 00:29

A drug is a contaminant, Errol.
We don't know whether these horses had been given Antibiotics or Phenylbutazone, etc, as they weren't officially in the food chain.

Muffyxx

Muffyxx Report 24 Feb 2013 00:28

Waste not want not.........BUT.....If it REALLY is harmless they should replace it with everything on the menu at the vastly subsidised House Of Commons Restaurants...lets see how many of them take advantage .....I'm guessing not many.

eRRolSheep

eRRolSheep Report 24 Feb 2013 00:23

Roy could that not be said of every single product on the market then?