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A genealogy question, now there's a shock :)

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~Lynda~

~Lynda~ Report 24 Feb 2013 20:31

My 3 x great Grandmother was born in Lisbon Portugal, c. 1811. She married in London in 1835, and in all the census' it states where , she was born, and says she was a British Subject. It has been suggested before, that perhaps her father was serving in the army in Portugal at the time of her birth, hence her being born there.

My question is, would, if her father was in the army there, could her mother have gone with her father to Portugal, or is it more likely her mother was Portuguese? I have no names of either of her parents, but would love to know why she was born in Portugal.
I very much doubt they were on a package holiday :-D

Any suggestions please?

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 24 Feb 2013 20:47

care to give details so we can have a look for you - we may find something

~Lynda~

~Lynda~ Report 24 Feb 2013 20:53

Thanks Ann, all I know is that her name was Elizabeth Hale, born c. 1811 in Lisbon Portugal. I know all about her after 1835, but nothing before.

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 24 Feb 2013 20:56

can't see Elizabeth but could this be a connection - sister maybe?

groom's name: William Anderson
bride's name: Margaret Mary Hale
marriage date: 06 Jul 1799
marriage place: British Factory Chaplaincy,Lisbon,Lisboa,Portugal
indexing project (batch) number: M88000-1
system origin: Portugal-ODM
source film number: 477648

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 24 Feb 2013 20:58

name: Henry Anderson
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 09 Nov 1798
baptism/christening place: BRITISH FACTORY CHAPLAINCY,LISBON,LISBOA,PORTUGAL
birth date: 22 Sep 1798
father's name: Charles Anderson
mother's name: Margaret
indexing project (batch) number: C88000-1
system origin: Portugal-ODM
source film number: 477648

~Lynda~

~Lynda~ Report 24 Feb 2013 21:00

I suppose it could be her fathers sister, but I just don't know, as I have no other relatives for Elizabeth, I've only been looking for her for 15 years :-D

Porkie_Pie

Porkie_Pie Report 24 Feb 2013 21:06

If dad was in the army at that time i doubt he would have taken his wife with him? back then soldiers had to pay even for rations so they would not have been able to afford to pay travel for his OH but its possible her dad was an officer, Officers had to buy their commission at that time the cost would have been several hundred pounds so he would not have had a problem paying for his wife's travel.



It's more than likely he married a local

First you would need to find her parents before you can answer the question as to whether he was in the army or in Portugal on behalf of his employer or on some business of his own

Could he also have been Embassy staff? "She was born in Lisbon"
The British Embassy is in Lisbon,

Roy

Susan10146857

Susan10146857 Report 24 Feb 2013 21:10

here is some info on British Factory Lisbon


https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=marriage+place:+British+Factory+Chaplaincy,Lisbon,Lisboa,Portugal&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-gb&client


if the link doesn't work...enter British Factory Chaplaincy, Lisbon, Lisboa, Portugal into google

Hayley   Empress of Drama

Hayley Empress of Drama Report 24 Feb 2013 21:11

Interesting , would his wife not of gone in marriage quarters in them days?

MR_MAGOO

MR_MAGOO Report 24 Feb 2013 21:13

Found these Lynda.

https://www.familysearch.org/search/record/results#count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3Aelizabeth~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1800-1820~&collection_id=1520601&offset=0

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 24 Feb 2013 21:17

are these Hales yours?


The Family of Charles Hale, born c1772.


Charles Hale . . . Click here for a possible family connection.
Born: circa 1772
Died: 20 July 1837, Woolwich, Kent, England.
Occupation : Wheelwright
Was at The Battle of Alexandria in 1801 during the Napoleonic Wars.
+Charlotte Fry
Born: 12 June 1782.
Baptised: 24 July 1782, St. Nicholas Parish Church, Plumstead, Kent.
Married: 22 April 1799, St. Saviour, Southwark, Surrey.
Occupation : 1841 Milk Seller (Census)
Died: 1 May 1862 Woolwich, Kent.
Occupation at Death: Widow.
Father: Edward Fry
Mother: Ann Fry


Charlotte Hale
Born: 12 January 1803, Woolwich, Kent.
Baptised: 13 February 1803, St. Mary Magdalene Parish Church, Woolwich, Kent.
+Richard Baker
Married: 22 May 1831, St. Mary Magdalene Church, Woolwich, Kent.

Elizabeth Hale
Born: 31 January 1805, Woolwich, Kent.
Baptised: 27 February 1805, St. Mary Magdalene Parish Church,Woolwich, Kent.

George Hales . . .
Born: c1807, Kent.
Baptised: 1 Nov 1807, Plumstead, Kent, England.
+Ann ELLIOT
Born: c1806, Kent.
Married: 9 Nov 1828, Saint Luke, Old Charlton, Kent.
Father: Francis ELLIOT
Mother: Ann UNKNOWN

Hannah Hale . . .
Born: 5 January 1812, Woolwich, Kent.
Baptised: 26 January 1812, St. Mary Magdalene Parish Church, Woolwich, Kent.
+James Farlie
Born: c1811, Woolwich, Kent.
Married: 20 January 1833, St. Nicholas Church, Deptford .
Occupation: Cordwainer.

Harriet Hale . . .
Born: 6 September 1813, Charles Street, Woolwich, Kent.
Baptised: 26 September 1813, St. Mary Magdalene Parish Church, Woolwich, Kent.
Died: 26 July 1883, Portland, Victoria.
Buried: 28 July 1883, Portland North Cemetery, Portland, Victoria, Australia.
+William Hale
Born: circa 1809, Woolwich, Kent.
Baptised: 15 February 1829, As an adult, aged about 20 Years, St. Nicholas Parish Church, Chislehurst, Kent.
Married: 30 September 1832, St. Nicholas Parish Church, Deptford, Kent.
Occupation : Carpenter & Builder.
Died: 2 November 1889, Portland, Victoria, Australia.
Buried: 4 November 1889, North Portland Cemetery, Portland, Victoria, Australia.
Father: William Hale
Mother: Mary Rhodes

Benjamin Hale
Born: 1 January 1816, Woolwich, Kent.
Baptised: 21 January 1816, St. Mary Magdalene Parish Church, Woolwich, Kent.
Occupation : Shoemaker
Died: 1 October 1887, Gipps Ward, Melbourne Hospital, Victoria, Australia.
Buried: 4 October 1887, Main Cemetery.





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The Family of Charlotte Hale, born 1803, Woolwich, Kent.


Charlotte Hale
Born: 12 January 1803, Woolwich, Kent.
Baptised: 13 February 1803, St. Mary Magdalene Parish Church, Woolwich, Kent.
+Richard Baker
Married: 22 May 1831, St. Mary Magdalene Church, Woolwich, Kent.



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The Family of George Hale of Woolwich, Kent.




Charles Hale
Born: 1831, Woolwich, Kent.
Photograph by Henderson, London Bridge, c1850.





Benjamin Hale
Born: 1839, Woolwich, Kent.
Died: 1897, Bathurst, New South Wales, Australia.



George HALE
Born: c1807, Kent.
Baptised: 1 Nov 1807, Plumstead, Kent, England.
+Ann ELLIOT
Born: c1806, Kent.
Married: 9 Nov 1828, Saint Luke, Old Charlton, Kent.
Father: Francis ELLIOT
Mother: Ann UNKNOWN


George William HALE
Baptised: 1 Mar 1829, St. Mary Magdalene, Woolwich, Kent.

Charles William HALE
Baptised: 10 Apr 1831, St. Mary Magdalene, Woolwich, Kent.

Amelia Helen HALE
Baptised: 28 Apr 1833, St. Mary Magdalene, Woolwich, Kent.

William Francis HALE
Baptised: 24 May 1835, St. Mary Magdalene, Woolwich, Kent.

Ann HALE
Baptised: 27 Aug 1837, St. Mary Magdalene, Woolwich, Kent.


~Lynda~

~Lynda~ Report 24 Feb 2013 21:20

ohh thanks everyone, I will check the link Susan wiv :-D

He could have been anything Roy, I was only going down the army route, as that was suggested to me, I did wonder if he was an officer if his wife, if English, would of gone with him at the army's expense?

I have got another 3x Great grandfather, different side, who was born in America, also a British subject, but I know his father was a merchant, not that, that has helped me much, but at least I know why he was there in the first place :-D

MR_MAGOO

MR_MAGOO Report 24 Feb 2013 21:23

If she was born of a local girl she could have well been a catholic.

~Lynda~

~Lynda~ Report 24 Feb 2013 21:25

Oh blimey Mr M, Catholics are too hard to find :-D She may well have been a Catholic, but she did marry in a C of E church, maybe I should tell the pope before he retires :-D

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 24 Feb 2013 22:00

too late - I think he's hung up his wotsits

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 24 Feb 2013 22:02

Index to Baptisms in Lisbon Portugal - ans | Communications ...
It consists of baptisms in Lisbon, Portugal which MAY relate to the British Factory and families who were connected to the India trade Return to genealogy
isp.ans.com.au/~rampais/genelogy/india/?indexes/lisframe.htm

MARRIAGE IN BRITISH FACTORY AT LISBON - genealogyforum.co.uk ...
MARRIAGE IN BRITISH FACTORY AT LISBON. by fdeboutaud » Sun Apr 03, 2011 5 ... Christening: 27 JUL 1800 British Factory Chaplaincy, Lisboa, Lisboa, Portugal
www.genealogyforum.co.uk/forum/?viewtopic.php?f=6&t=8583 - Cached

Some Lisbon merchants « Leghorn Merchant Networks
The British Historical Society of Portugal have a great deal of information about ... the AUBIN records from LDS Film No. 0477648 British Factory Chaplaincy Lisbon ...
leghornmerchants.wordpress.com/2009/11/?15/some-lisbon... - Cached

BRITISH FACTORY AT LISBON - AIM25 collection description
: BRITISH FACTORY AT LISBON: Date(s): 1721-1814: Level of ... A chaplaincy attached to the Factory was established in the ... British Factory | Lisbon | Portugal
www.aim25.ac.uk/cgi-bin/vcdf/?detail?coll_id=16001&inst... - Cached

Porkie_Pie

Porkie_Pie Report 24 Feb 2013 22:16

Can i point out that the Peninsular War was (1808-1814) France and Spain had invaded Portugal so theirs a good chance dad was involves,
Would a soldier want to take his wife into a war zone?

Hayley, Not sure when married quarters where introduced as separate accommodation for overseas service but It wasn't the norm until around the mid 1800's before that a married man with his wife shared accommodation with others usualy in a corner of a barrack block



Roy

eRRolSheep

eRRolSheep Report 24 Feb 2013 22:28

I think Roy is right
lynda - maybe if you post this on one of the other boards rather than the general chat one you will have better luck - I wish you all the best with your search and hope you get some results soon

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 25 Feb 2013 00:41

many women accompanied their men to war during the 18th and 19th centuries ........... and probably earlier.

Many of them were legally married, many were not.

If their husband was killed, then they would often soon marry one of his friends, or a member of the same company.


There of course no "living quarters" as such ............... but the wives (legal and common-law) of the ordinary soldier followed the army ............. they would travel with the baggage carts, usually walking, and carrying their children with them

They were extremely useful ...... cooking food, washing clothes ................. and acting as nurses



Bernard Cornwell's series on Sharpe was a pretty accurate account of the situation.

Hayley   Empress of Drama

Hayley Empress of Drama Report 25 Feb 2013 01:02

To War ???? I am shocked at that, I have never watched Sharpe even for Sean Bean but I do find it interesting, could be an interesting TV programme the part wifes played in the army over the ages.