General Chat

Cynthia,,,,

I think you'll find regardless of status in a role of care,when they step out of line they get a public bashing,rightly so imo,,,,,be them clergy,a parent,carer,etc,

at the present time its the clergy.

there are wonderful men of the cloth in all religions,so not all are tarred with the same brush,,,,,,but lets face it the RC priests do put a mockery on the faith.

Just to clarify once again Ann Cardiff

The post I reported .... Was as originalsy posted

As I said,

In the time it took me to C& P your post, and add it to RRd. -- and type my reason for the RR to Genes ,

You presemably, had edited it ......

I never saw the edit until after I had RRd

And, I do not have any abilities to foresee edits

Gossip besmirches everyone - eventually.

Ann Cardiff

Oh I did not know that .......



still, in this case it was quite fortunate for GR to see what the objection was

Ann Cardiff

I RRd a post and

Admitted I had RRd on the thread and

Showed you where it was posted on thread that I had admitted RRd

. ( you had posted on the thread that the RRd had not been acknowledged)

Explained why it appears that an amended post was RRd and

It was fortunate that I had C&P a thread I was RRd. .... Prior to it being edited by the

poster

because it would make a mockery of the RR system


I will not bother to ask why any of this is thought to be " unpleasant" towards you

I found your post unpleasant ....

Followed procedures ...

Took ownership of the RR

what more is there ...........

I now appreciate why others often C&P the post they are responding too

fortunately, I stated to whom I was responding,

Would not want anyone thinking I was writing to myself,

Talking, that's ok, but writing, definitely ....... OTT



EDIT ....... It appears that the same persons posts have also been deleted on other threads, that cross referenced back, to comments made this one ........ Strange ....

he has dropped his denials and admited sexual misconduct :-(

its just been on the news

Just seen that Joy..

From ITV....

The full statement from Cardinal Keith O'Brien:

In recent days certain allegations which have been made against me have

become public. Initially, their anonymous and non-specific nature led me

to contest them.

However, I wish to take this opportunity to admit that there have been

times that my sexual conduct has fallen below the standards expected of me

as a priest, archbishop and cardinal.

To those I have offended, I apologise and ask forgiveness.

To the Catholic Church and people of Scotland, I also apologise.

I will now spend the rest of my life in retirement. I will play no further

part in the public life of the Catholic Church in Scotland.

can you be arrested for dropping your denials?

I am not lost for words! ;-)

I find that particularly sickening tbh.

Denied it while he could when allegations were anonymous and non-specific..but once he was banged to rights he admitted it.

hmmmmmmm.

Has it really suprised anybody?

so,,,

priest, archbishop and a cardinal was he at it all that time and is there more to come.?......lordy lordy. :-

will we be hearing choir boys singing their heads off.......

;-) :-0.

It is a tragedy for all concerned and Cardinal O'Brien wil have to face the law same as anybody else who admits to a crime.

But they are not all "at it", which I think was the contentious remark at beginning of thread. I was surprised that the number "at it" in the Catholic Church hierarchy is roughly in line with the general population. That is very disappointing to me personally.

But I did realise many years ago that just because someone wears a collar the wrong way or swings a sheep hook round in the pulpit does not necessarily make his private behaviour any different from Joe Bloggs on the Clapham Omnibus. It should, but clearly it doesn't :-(

"It is a tragedy for all concerned and Cardinal O'Brien will have to face the law same as anybody else who admits to a crime."


I don't think it's a tragedy for Keith O'Brien...he's the architect of his own downfall..I feel for all those that were affected by his actions though and think it's a tragedy for them.

stinks
of coruption and cover ups to me :-(

thank you Joy - and Muffy - you have it in a nutshell there!! certainly no tears for the Cardinal - but for his victims, may they get some justice and eventualy some peace of mind and may he rot in hell - and if anyone wants to report me for sayng that, go ahead

If he is now admitting that there was some impropriety, then as the leading catholic in the UK this is somewhat worrying.
Although I am of course not suggesting anything, if the chief commits a crime or indiscretion then surely the lower ranks may find a degree of protection if they admit to him, in confidence of course, that they too have maybe been "up to something".

No problem with that AnnC.

Just that when people say they are "all at it", it is just not true. I doubt your Rector has been at it. I doubt (very much doubt) my Minister has been at it.

But all priests can succomb to same temptations. And they need to be dealt with in exactly same way as anyone else in society.

I am wondering if Cardinal O'Brien wil be dealt with leniently because he has confessed - whereas some of the more high profile people recently with allegations against them have so far pleaded "not guilty".

wonder if he confessed all in the confession box
does he think a few hail marys are good enough :-(

He only admitted it when he had no choice.

He doesn't deserve leniency.