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Dopeydoc Report 29 Mar 2013 09:45

Again , Abu Qutada is allowed to stay in a country he does not like, a people he does not like , unless they are fanatics like him !

Judges say its his human rights , SO WHERE ARE OUR HUMAN RIGHTS TO BE PROTECTED , BY DEPORTING HIM , any-where !

It cost thousands of pounds to keep him protected , to keep him living off the state , no need to find work , like every-one else !

Government making cuts on Police , N H S , ETC , BUT THEY STILL PAY ALL THIS EXTRA MONEY FOR HIM ?

If this was France, they would have put him on a plane and got rid-off him , OUR COUNTRY , OUR GOVERNMENT ARE AFRAID TO STAND UP !

There are many Asians who are good , decent people , some are my friends , but they all get put into the same barrell as him , because of this !

:-( :-( :-(


AnnMarieG Report 29 Mar 2013 10:28

Agree with everything you say BUT our govenment does not run this country anymore the EU does. :-( :-( :-( :-(


RolloTheRed Report 29 Mar 2013 11:00

Of course Abu Q. should be deported but it is not the black and white issue it seems to be.

The judges are only following the law as it stands. Any government which takes executive actions without legal authority is well on the way to be becoming a tyranny. Ask Tony Blair he should know.

Specifically the law of England does not allow the extradition of a person for trial where in that country any of these apply
(a) possibility of execution
(b) torture
(c) use of evidence obtained by torture

The Jordanians have promised not to execute Abu Q. However there are several very unpleasant murderers of US nationality in UK jails who are not being extradited as the US cannot provide sufficient guarantees on this.

They have also promised not to torture him. For those who have not had the pleasure of living and working in the Hashemite Lingdom of Jordan beating up suspects, "persons of interest" and so on is completely routine. The Jordanian courts are quite happy with evidence obtained in this way.

Ms May has had a lot of meetings with Jordan and they promise that in the case of Abu Q. they will play by British rather than Jordanian rules. They have refused to make any actual changes to their judicial system.

The Supreme Court does not buy the promises, promises made by the Jordanian government to Ms May.

So there you have it, impasse.

The only way Ms May will get the guy extradited is to amend the law changing the balance of proof required for (a, b, c) above. For instance the law could direct the courts that the assurances of friendly governments ( all of them ) must be accepted. If they did that Abu Q. would soon be on his way. So would quite a few Americans, Russians etc etc to a murky fate. And even some Brits.

Will they do that ? Doubtful 'cos of the spin off for other cases. Also the LIbDems would object whatever Clegg may be saying for the moment.

France does not just pick up anybody they don't like and bundle them on a plane. It follows exactly the same criteria as in England. Attempts by ministers inc ex pres. Sarkozy to short cut this process have been slapped down with vigour.

So there you have it. Nasty guy, nobody wants him, who can blame them?

The tenancy of St Anne's Gate has always been regarded as the poison pill of British politics, with good reason.


+++DetEcTive+++ Report 29 Mar 2013 11:26

Any chance the Americans want him?

Arrange a prison transfer and .....oh dear, he's been 'rescued'. ;-)


PollyinBrum Report 29 Mar 2013 11:48

Abu Qatada was recently taken back into custody after he was arrested for alleged breaches of his bail conditions. The hateful preacher was being investigated over extremist material. A hearing to consider whether he should be granted bail again was postponed last Thursday.

The Home Secretary needs to pursue all legal avenues, demonstrate further work with Jordan, take urgent action to keep the public safe, and get this deportation back on track.


Robert Report 29 Mar 2013 12:33

You lot need to read the Lisbon Treaty, and you will see how much power was hand to EU parliament by the traitors sat in Westminster, the reason over countries in the EU can do things we cant, is because they got opt-out clause were we didn't


JoyBoroAngel Report 29 Mar 2013 13:30

its about time we kicked
the EEC and their human rights

which they dont followinto touch


Dopeydoc Report 29 Mar 2013 13:57





JoyBoroAngel Report 29 Mar 2013 13:59

what about our human rights

to be safe in our own country


RolloTheRed Report 29 Mar 2013 14:49

I rather agree with the Angel of the North. Sure get rid of undesirable clerics, it is an old English tradition after all, just don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

The tendencies of the Commons are not towards a free open and democratic society - it has recently passed measures

to allow unlimited snooping on people's digital communications,

is operating some pretty dubious operations with ANPR,

has brought in a system of secret trials where the accused is not allowed to know what the charge is or the evidence (Kafka ),

operates a system of family justice without any sort of redress or accountability

and last but by no means least seeks to censor the press.

Sure, chuck out statute rights and rely on all those fine upstanding MPs in the Commons.

I think not.